Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 21:00     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:I knew a lot of people personally who did. One kid of white South Africans said AA. One half Moroccan kid said AA. Lots of kids who had something like 1/8 heritage in Spain or Portugal said Hispanic.


That is totally allowed.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 20:57     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?



How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?


I think they would deny their status based on the photo.


Rachel Dozal pretended to be black for 6 years. How can you deny someone based on race because you think her submitted photo doesn’t show the stated race?


What does that have to do with Rachel Dolezal?
I think the college will look at the photo and assume the student is lying.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 20:55     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?



How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?


I think they would deny their status based on the photo.


Rachel Dozal pretended to be black for 6 years. How can you deny someone based on race because you think her submitted photo doesn’t show the stated race?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 20:43     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?



How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?


I think they would deny their status based on the photo.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 20:35     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:You can be Hispanic without a Spanish speaking house hold. It’s an ethnicity. My mom (straight from SA) married an American man and they chose not to speak Spanish at home since he didn’t speak it. Stupid decision for us but still.



Yep. My son is half Hispanic but his dad doesn't live with us. Even when he did, he wouldn't speak Spanish with out son. He said he thought it seemed rude since I don't speak it. I wish he had but it wouldn't have mattered since he left and moved halfway across the country.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 20:05     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:My SIL told my nephew to put that he was Hispanic on his applications because HER stepfather was Mexican. He did and then was a nervous week about it. SIL has a lot of issues…

Is his last name hispanic? Was he scrutinized for it?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 19:51     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?



How would that help? I know someone who is 50% black 10% American Indian and 40% white. They have blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin. They would deny this person their URM status? Or require a DNA test?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 19:22     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else getting the feeling this thread was started by trolls who'd like to see chaos in the admissions process?


Op here: definitely not a troll.


Op has identified they are not a troll. We can all calm down.



Move along, plz
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 19:16     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets admitted because of race. It's not a bump. Don't believe it. If there's a toss up between equals and a college realizes their students all are alike, then maybe on occasion given all other things equal someone might get a second look, but all things are equal so it's just the luck of teh draw at that point. Even lying about about race for a scholarship only puts you in the hunt, you're still competing against others on stats. Nobody gets a scholarship just because they are of a certain race, they simply might qualify for it. Even the most diverse colleges fall many percentages points under the representative average of most races, especially Black and Brown.


I worked a summer program during college and we had this exclusive summer program for incoming minority freshmen. The test scores they had were shocking. I mean like 1,000 on the SAT or 20 on the ACT low. This was a state flagship requiring more like a 1350+ or 30+ for most students to have a chance.


Oh this sounds so believable


This is quite believable. I tutored one minority student at a college like this when they recommended some remedial work. The kid needed help with things like adding fractions.


And I’ve met my fair share of dumb white students. So what?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 19:13     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If lots of people were doing this, the numbers of Black, Hispanic, and Native students at top schools would be much higher.

As the numbers remain quite paltry, I’m assuming either most people are being honest, or these liar kids can’t get in even when they lie because they aren’t up to standard whatever the box they check.


At Harvard it is much higher. I think non-Hispanic whites are a minority now.


Because it’s 28% Asian in class of 2026. Black/Hispanic/Native combined is at 31%. Which I’m sure is 31% too much for your tastes.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 18:59     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Is this why Georgetown asks for a photo?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 18:57     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:Is there ever any enforcement action?

At what point can you claim that you are black? 50/50? 25% black but look black?

Maybe DNA test results should be submitted?


There was this movie The Human Stain where the twist is Anthony Hopkins is the black kid in the flashbacks who works as a professor hiding his black identity.
Now it is the reverse.

Maybe apply to a major reach school with fake ethnicity.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 18:52     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody gets admitted because of race. It's not a bump. Don't believe it. If there's a toss up between equals and a college realizes their students all are alike, then maybe on occasion given all other things equal someone might get a second look, but all things are equal so it's just the luck of teh draw at that point. Even lying about about race for a scholarship only puts you in the hunt, you're still competing against others on stats. Nobody gets a scholarship just because they are of a certain race, they simply might qualify for it. Even the most diverse colleges fall many percentages points under the representative average of most races, especially Black and Brown.


I worked a summer program during college and we had this exclusive summer program for incoming minority freshmen. The test scores they had were shocking. I mean like 1,000 on the SAT or 20 on the ACT low. This was a state flagship requiring more like a 1350+ or 30+ for most students to have a chance.


Oh this sounds so believable


This is quite believable. I tutored one minority student at a college like this when they recommended some remedial work. The kid needed help with things like adding fractions.
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 18:47     Subject: Re:How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Is there ever any enforcement action?

At what point can you claim that you are black? 50/50? 25% black but look black?

Maybe DNA test results should be submitted?
Anonymous
Post 02/04/2023 18:42     Subject: How often do you think applicants lie about their race?
Anonymous wrote:If lots of people were doing this, the numbers of Black, Hispanic, and Native students at top schools would be much higher.

As the numbers remain quite paltry, I’m assuming either most people are being honest, or these liar kids can’t get in even when they lie because they aren’t up to standard whatever the box they check.


At Harvard it is much higher. I think non-Hispanic whites are a minority now.