Anonymous
Post 01/31/2023 15:49     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Getting rid of a student who has issues that a school is incapable of dealing with has been around longer than Biden. DD's school had a boy prone to violence and it took him attacking a first grader for them to finally force him out


So much fing ignorance. No one forced a child out of a public school. There are procedures that have to be followed. The school system is required to have meetings and decide on the best placement for the child. It takes a lot of time to do this. No one can just kick a kid out of public school. The administrators at this school sound like they were much of the problem. If they deny and stop assessments it can cause problems like this.

I also think it's absolute cowardice that the op didn't pose this in the sns forum where she'd get it handed to her. I know any time a person posts about sn kids in general education forum it is because they want a post full of hate against people with disabilities.


OP here- I didn’t post this to the SN forum because it goes beyond kids with SN. I want to know how national policies impact local school districts ability to effectively deal with children who are violent/disruptive regardless of their status. IDEA has been brought up several times on DCUM as potentially limiting school’s ability to address this issue, so I asked the question.
Anonymous
Post 01/29/2023 09:52     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.


So that actually started with Bush and No Child Left Behind when they started tracking attendance as a measure of schooling. Admin started not taking kids out of school for suspensions because it would affect attendance and graduation rates.


In general though, this is not true. Most school systems expel or send home sns kids at a rate much higher than is reasonable. Schools often won't follow the behavior plan even if it isn't very intensive, the child acts out and the parent is called to come get their kid. Sns kids are crapped on every way you look. So many administrators are ignorant and would rather have all sns kids out of their schools. Fortunately for us, the Feds knew this would happen. Joe is just reminding the school systems to not forget the sns kids because they sure did drop them all like hot potatoes when the schools shut down. Joe is also reminding them not to abuse them because schools love to seclude and restrain these childen


“Send home kids at a much higher rate than is reasonable” according to whom? The parents of these kids? Or the teachers and other kids who are affected by the violence and disruptions? Obviously these kids have big problems, that’s why they have the sn label. A San label does not protect them from consequences from unacceptable behavior. Or at least it should not. That’s the point of this thread.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:56     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

Even with habitual violence, zero effective consequences. Shame on the Democrats.


Shame on Republicans for the godforsaken GUNS.