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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

Exactly where are you seeing the systemic racism in DC?

Oh let's see. DC is highly segregated residentially, which largely follows the pattern of racial restriction that existed until roughly the last quarter of the 20th century. DC schools are highly segregated, following the pattern of residential segregation. DC's wealth and income are highly correlated with wealth. Should I go on?

This is true. Black people in DC are stuck living around other black people.

Where do poor white people live?

Trailer park?

DC doesn’t have trailer parks. They actually live where poor black people live. Rich black people live in the same places where rich white people live.

In reality, segregation is $$$$$$ - NOT racial. Poor whites don’t live where rich whites live. Poor blacks don’t live where rich blacks live.

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but we've thrown $$ at it for decades.
BTW, you seem to be the clueless racist here.

This, yes we have and what good has it done? There is an employee who I will not name at a store in Spring Valley, she and I have known each other for over a decade long before she took her present job. She is the daughter of a single mother who lived with her grandmother and was raised in fact, by her grandmother. Her mother just was never around so you would think that when this person had a baby she would wait until she had a family unit that could care for that child right? Wrong, she had two children before she was 17 with two different fathers. Her two children then went on to have multiple children before they were 17, one of which has a rather severe disability. The mother of this child is now in jail (for what I can't remember, she's been in trouble so many times) and my friend had taken in both of her children as their grandmother repeating the cycle that she grew up with, although that lasted for a very short time before she decided she was sick of taking care of other people and she gave her grandchildren up to CPS. I was shocked, I don't think I could ever do this, and no, it was not a money decision. As for her other daughter she is now pregnant with her third child (all from different fathers) and why is she pregnant again? She wants a larger apartment and will get more money if she has another child.

I know the above is confusing, for everyone. My point is since I was a young women we have been throwing money and in my case, personal time in counseling, yet nothing has changed. I see the same things fifty years later. The change is going to have to come from within the black community and I'd like to know when that's going to happen? When is the word oppressed and racist going to stop being thrown around so casually, it helps no one! I'm so sick of seeing the same thing over and over and know within my heart that it's a cultural/community problem that has to be addressed within. No outsider like myself can help. I know, I've tried.

I hear what you are saying and I completely agree with your latter point. A big problem is that our country tends to just throw money at problems, and we know that isn't an effective strategy. All of my family are Democrats (I'm independent) and they have a laundry list of excuses for black people. It's so bad that they would have sympathy for black offenders who commit horribly violent crimes. Any policy or even comments that has to do with taking accountability for actions and their heads will just explode.

Yes, ever the oppressed as though the black community isn't capable of providing for their own and managing their lives just like any other human. Everyone, well almost everyone, needs a hand up at some point in their life but we have to stop making excuses for the obvious.

Finally some rationale thinking. Honestly sick of crime in DC and only option being considering moving out. As if people here are brainwashed to see the truth, defending criminals. I have been following the Brookland shooting and with limited facts shared by the police people are already mobilizing the community for the robber ( being out in a stolen car at 3 am in a indicator what he was up to).. I am not a republican and tend to be progress democratic however I no longer support progressive criminal law.

I want to know what the hell the kid was doing at 3am in the morning outside? Where are the parents?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought DC crime overall had dropped in 2022.

It has.

Dollars to donuts none of the tough-on-crime posters in this thread live in DC. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even live in the metro region.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

No, you’d actually have to have some evidence. But criminals need consequences.
Not that you should admit it, but I highly doubt you live in a high crime neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

In this world you describe, even criminals can get away with murder because they can just claim the person was breaking into their car and make sh*t up. I don't want to live in that world.

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but we've thrown $$ at it for decades.
BTW, you seem to be the clueless racist here.

This, yes we have and what good has it done? There is an employee who I will not name at a store in Spring Valley, she and I have known each other for over a decade long before she took her present job. She is the daughter of a single mother who lived with her grandmother and was raised in fact, by her grandmother. Her mother just was never around so you would think that when this person had a baby she would wait until she had a family unit that could care for that child right? Wrong, she had two children before she was 17 with two different fathers. Her two children then went on to have multiple children before they were 17, one of which has a rather severe disability. The mother of this child is now in jail (for what I can't remember, she's been in trouble so many times) and my friend had taken in both of her children as their grandmother repeating the cycle that she grew up with, although that lasted for a very short time before she decided she was sick of taking care of other people and she gave her grandchildren up to CPS. I was shocked, I don't think I could ever do this, and no, it was not a money decision. As for her other daughter she is now pregnant with her third child (all from different fathers) and why is she pregnant again? She wants a larger apartment and will get more money if she has another child.

I know the above is confusing, for everyone. My point is since I was a young women we have been throwing money and in my case, personal time in counseling, yet nothing has changed. I see the same things fifty years later. The change is going to have to come from within the black community and I'd like to know when that's going to happen? When is the word oppressed and racist going to stop being thrown around so casually, it helps no one! I'm so sick of seeing the same thing over and over and know within my heart that it's a cultural/community problem that has to be addressed within. No outsider like myself can help. I know, I've tried.

I hear what you are saying and I completely agree with your latter point. A big problem is that our country tends to just throw money at problems, and we know that isn't an effective strategy. All of my family are Democrats (I'm independent) and they have a laundry list of excuses for black people. It's so bad that they would have sympathy for black offenders who commit horribly violent crimes. Any policy or even comments that has to do with taking accountability for actions and their heads will just explode.

Yes, ever the oppressed as though the black community isn't capable of providing for their own and managing their lives just like any other human. Everyone, well almost everyone, needs a hand up at some point in their life but we have to stop making excuses for the obvious.

Finally some rationale thinking. Honestly sick of crime in DC and only option being considering moving out. As if people here are brainwashed to see the truth, defending criminals. I have been following the Brookland shooting and with limited facts shared by the police people are already mobilizing the community for the robber ( being out in a stolen car at 3 am in a indicator what he was up to).. I am not a republican and tend to be progress democratic however I no longer support progressive criminal law.

I want to know what the hell the kid was doing at 3am in the morning outside? Where are the parents?

Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

Anonymous wrote:If you want to reduce crime in dc you have to bring back nyc stop and frisk. You have to have cops on the ground 24/7 walking the beat and being present.

And as others have said, dc, md, va. They all need strong constitutional carry and stand your ground and 100% homestead/ property protection.

If I blow away some punk caught breaking into my car, the only thing I should ever have to deal with is a big thank you for taking out the trash.

No threat of jail, prosecution, etc. 100% protection from any and all recourse.

Then DC will become safer.

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Anonymous wrote:The real answer is that cops do not stop crime they never have and they never will. Cops apprehend and the court system punishes. Cops don’t even punish, that is the court system.

Social services do stop crimes, jobs, education, mental health support, community centers, churches, etc.

The things that stop crime have broken down and that is why crime is up.

Decades of studies show you are wrong. Mere police presence stops crime, and they don't even have to arrest people. They just have to be there.

Ideally, we as a community would solve concentrated poverty, which is the real problem. But we don't.

Secondarily, we as a community must have adequate responses to respond to people in crisis. And someone holding a knife to their mom's throat or using a machete to carjack a car are community crises. It creates neighborhoods of fear, and that pervasive fear is very damaging to the people who live there. That alone contributes to our systemic disparities. Pull police out and the two remaining solutions are vigilante justice (which we are seeing much more of) or military intervention.

Invest in communities and invest in good policing. That's the only way to stop this.

I agree with you, however how do we invest in communities who don't want to.play their party i.e. be a good parent, responsible etc? Mist crime in DC is committed by young kids and if locking them up is not an option then how do we address the lack of parental support?

Your post is one long racist dog whistle. Why not try helping systemically oppressed communities for a change?

Not everything is about race. I ask a serious question how do we make up for lack of parental control? How is it fair a good family was beaten up in broad daylight by a thug? I honestly don't know how we can make any progress against crime and safety if the buck stops with oppression, profiling etc? I welcome your suggestions.

All I want is to feel safe and protected when I am doing everything right.

When you say "parental control" and "thugs" those are dog whistles right there. We all know what you mean. Don't be obtuse. The solution is to support programs that help underserved communities (violence interrupters, addressing police brutality, criminal justice reform), even if that should cost you a little more in taxes.

You are profiling no where did I discuss race. In my opinion a thug is someone who beats people for no reason, carjacks, robs people etc. I am.all for support programs but not at the cost of decriminalization and protected the thugs. As a teen I couldn't imagine beating people up as I knew once I am.home there would be serious consequences. I am tired of this narrative that we need to think about the thugs wellbeing how about hard working taxpayers?

I welcome your suggestions on how you think the city van do a better job and how you see it will help. Social programs takes years to make change untill then what do we do?

Of course it will take a long time to dismantle systemic racism. Police brutality is not the answer.

What we need is more funding for violence interrupters. More affordable housing. More wrap-around services. But also fewer bigots like you.

I'm not the poster you are responding to, but we've thrown $$ at it for decades.
BTW, you seem to be the clueless racist here.

This, yes we have and what good has it done? There is an employee who I will not name at a store in Spring Valley, she and I have known each other for over a decade long before she took her present job. She is the daughter of a single mother who lived with her grandmother and was raised in fact, by her grandmother. Her mother just was never around so you would think that when this person had a baby she would wait until she had a family unit that could care for that child right? Wrong, she had two children before she was 17 with two different fathers. Her two children then went on to have multiple children before they were 17, one of which has a rather severe disability. The mother of this child is now in jail (for what I can't remember, she's been in trouble so many times) and my friend had taken in both of her children as their grandmother repeating the cycle that she grew up with, although that lasted for a very short time before she decided she was sick of taking care of other people and she gave her grandchildren up to CPS. I was shocked, I don't think I could ever do this, and no, it was not a money decision. As for her other daughter she is now pregnant with her third child (all from different fathers) and why is she pregnant again? She wants a larger apartment and will get more money if she has another child.

I know the above is confusing, for everyone. My point is since I was a young women we have been throwing money and in my case, personal time in counseling, yet nothing has changed. I see the same things fifty years later. The change is going to have to come from within the black community and I'd like to know when that's going to happen? When is the word oppressed and racist going to stop being thrown around so casually, it helps no one! I'm so sick of seeing the same thing over and over and know within my heart that it's a cultural/community problem that has to be addressed within. No outsider like myself can help. I know, I've tried.

I hear what you are saying and I completely agree with your latter point. A big problem is that our country tends to just throw money at problems, and we know that isn't an effective strategy. All of my family are Democrats (I'm independent) and they have a laundry list of excuses for black people. It's so bad that they would have sympathy for black offenders who commit horribly violent crimes. Any policy or even comments that has to do with taking accountability for actions and their heads will just explode.

Yes, ever the oppressed as though the black community isn't capable of providing for their own and managing their lives just like any other human. Everyone, well almost everyone, needs a hand up at some point in their life but we have to stop making excuses for the obvious.

Finally some rationale thinking. Honestly sick of crime in DC and only option being considering moving out. As if people here are brainwashed to see the truth, defending criminals. I have been following the Brookland shooting and with limited facts shared by the police people are already mobilizing the community for the robber ( being out in a stolen car at 3 am in a indicator what he was up to).. I am not a republican and tend to be progress democratic however I no longer support progressive criminal law.

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Anonymous wrote:Violent crimes in DC, by year:
1992 16,680
2002 9,109
2012 6,963
2022 3,820

Crime is not increasing in DC. It's not even increasing in the short run, 2021 was 4118. Crime has declined in 26 of the past 30 years.

Source: MPD annual reports

Interesting how a post rich in actual facts gets little attention.

There are reasons to be skeptical of these numbers. This kind of data is easily manipulated by, for example, downplaying certain crimes as misdemeanors, failing to take reports, etc.

Do you have better data? Please provide.

Murders are harder to sweep under the rug


2011 108
2012 88
2013 103
2014 105
2015 162
2016 136
2017 116
2018 160
2019 166
2020 198
2021 226

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

If you want to talk about murders specifically, then you should refer to murders specifically, not "crime" in general.

Or maybe a rising murder rate coupled with a crashing violent crime rate is evidence that violent crimes are being under reported

Maybe. Or maybe murders are different from other violent crimes. There is actual research about such issues. You don't have to speculate/make stuff up.

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Anonymous wrote:Violent crimes in DC, by year:
1992 16,680
2002 9,109
2012 6,963
2022 3,820

Crime is not increasing in DC. It's not even increasing in the short run, 2021 was 4118. Crime has declined in 26 of the past 30 years.

Source: MPD annual reports

Interesting how a post rich in actual facts gets little attention.

There are reasons to be skeptical of these numbers. This kind of data is easily manipulated by, for example, downplaying certain crimes as misdemeanors, failing to take reports, etc.

Do you have better data? Please provide.

Murders are harder to sweep under the rug


2011 108
2012 88
2013 103
2014 105
2015 162
2016 136
2017 116
2018 160
2019 166
2020 198
2021 226

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

If you want to talk about murders specifically, then you should refer to murders specifically, not "crime" in general.

Or maybe a rising murder rate coupled with a crashing violent crime rate is evidence that violent crimes are being under reported