Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:14
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
OP here. To be clear, I have done meetings outside my work hours and am fine doing it with some notice (even the afternoon before an early morning meeting is fine). The issue is the lack of notice.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:07
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
That’s a good salary but not 24 hrs on call salary. I earn about that much and I absolutely would do a meeting outside of my normal hours (AM or PM) if necessary and I got notice during my normal hours. But no, I am not checking email when I wake up and before I go to bed.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:07
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:If she would have scanned her emails (it came at 9pm the night before), she would have seen the request and been able to explain her conflict.
See how that works?
Work hours are a thing and it’s not unreasonable to expect someone to not regularly check e-mail outside of work hours.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 13:03
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
If she would have scanned her emails (it came at 9pm the night before), she would have seen the request and been able to explain her conflict.
See how that works?
See how that works?
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:59
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
Stay focused. This is about a last minute meeting, not just scanning emails.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:57
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Checking at 6 isn’t about being sure I catch last minute requests/accommodating someone’s poor planning. It’s about being sufficiently plugged to an extent commensurate with my comp and seniority level. 99% of the time it’s all innocuous stuff (news alerts, email from vendor/someone working late), but this means in the rare case something like this happens, I wouldn’t be caught off guard. And if there were a conflict, I would be able to communicate that out.
It’s very telling that OP wants to make this kind of money but believes she’s entitled to totally check out after 5. Both supervisor and employee have room for improvement here.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:47
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
This is a “poor planning on your (meeting organizers) part does not constitute an emergency on my part” situation.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:47
Subject: Re:Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
OP, block your calendar in the morning until you start work. For example, I start work at 8 but I have to take my daughter to school at 8:30 every day so I block 8:30-9:00 as a meeting on my calendar. If you don't start until 9:00, block 8:00-9:00 every day. That way if the meeting sender looks, they will see you are unavailable.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:44
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Exactly. No one should be surprised with an 8am meeting at 6am outside of a true emergency. This deadline has been known for a month and management should have been working to meet it much earlier than the day before the deadline.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:43
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
This is why people think nonprofits are disorganized. If you routinely have to check email at six it’s not a well-run organization.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:39
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
+1. At that salary, you likely have some real responsibility. Your boss handled this poorly, but at that comp level you shouldn’t expect to clock in 8:30 to 5p and be offline otherwise. (Note, they don’t pay you enough to check email nonstop, but you could be doing more.)
You should be checking email when you get up, to just to make sure nothing came in. I’m at a nonprofit earning $220k and I do that when I wake up at 6.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:38
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much do you make?
Not enough to deal with this. $160K plus a $4-5K bonus.
That’s in what I consider all-hours email checking salary range. I thought you were going to say sub 6 figures.
+1 Feels like a 8 hrs/day + check email a few times type level
My sibling makes $38k,is overtime eligible with approval, and does not check email or teams after hours or weekends.
Now that seems reasonable.
My husband makes $320K + bonus and several million in stock. He works roughly from 8/8:30am-6pm. He sometimes checks email after hours, but it’s rare. He never works on the weekend.
So someone making $160K being expected to check email after hours regularly, solely due to salary, seems odd.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:38
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:All of you saying "unacceptable" clearly have not worked in global teams.
Sure I have— I currently do. We have norms of acceptable professional behavior and we’re not such disorganized slobs we don’t know about meetings until 11 hours prior. Do better and stop making excuses.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:37
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
If the meeting occurred outside of your set hours and the request was sent after core office hours then no, the meeting was not set at a reasonable time. You weren't given enough notification to adjust your hours.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:37
Subject: Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It depends on your office culture, what the meeting was about, etc.. I know how hard it is with daycare and school drop off's, but that is why I put it upon myself to check my email multiple times. I have called in to short notice meetings while dropping my kids off (thank you mute button!).
It does not depend on office culture. Under no circumstances is it reasonable to send a meeting invite at 9pm for 8am the next day. None.
You are ignorant. I've worked in industries where everyone was expected to show up to the office no later than 7 am. 8 am is a perfectly reasonable time in SOME circumstances.
And if those are your agreed working hours (7am) that’s fine. These aren’t the OPs hours, a meeting was scheduled outside working hours and the message was outside working hours— unacceptable.