Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:43     Subject: ChatGPT and the college application essay
AI generated software has been around for a while. There were a few Markov Chain generators when I was in grad school. These look like they're better and probably have thousands to millions of training essays to work with but there's still the problem of repetition sand factual evidence. I used to play around with these things to have them generate be 100000 word stories to treat at work but they'd be so silly that I'd just laugh through them. These are probably better not how much?

College essays are different from fantasy stories though so maybe this market is different. These are a nice first (or zero) draft that gives you something to work with, kinda like brainstorming but that's what I use Google images and looking at old essays for. I think this is a cool thing but I'm not afraid that it's the upcoming if the end if life as we know it
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:19     Subject: ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:




If you ask same question, will it give same answer or similar one?


So DS English teacher had all 15 kids in the class use it and type in the exact same prompt she made up for them. Within a couple minutes there were 15 totally different essays. They all read them aloud to the class one by one and then discussed each one. Her feeling is this technology is here and the kids know about it- might as well face it head on. It was a great learning experience for them.[/quote

How long? What happens at 1000 or 2000 words?]
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:18     Subject: ChatGPT and the college application essay





If you ask same question, will it give same answer or similar one?


So DS English teacher had all 15 kids in the class use it and type in the exact same prompt she made up for them. Within a couple minutes there were 15 totally different essays. They all read them aloud to the class one by one and then discussed each one. Her feeling is this technology is here and the kids know about it- might as well face it head on. It was a great learning experience for them.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:16     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Alright bot, write an essay guaranteed to get me admitted to Harvard, then self-destruct.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:14     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Essay has been one of the most bullshit item for college admission.

Rich people hire consultants for that.

For Test, ast least you are forced to actaully take it on your own with everyone else.

Now it's more equal playing filed for essay.



They need to ditch the stupid essays, which if not written by a bit can be written by a parent or paid consultant. Useless


They very well to admit some people that excel in language and communication in English but they need to figure out to find them apart from students using computers to fake having this interest or ability.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 14:08     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:Essay has been one of the most bullshit item for college admission.

Rich people hire consultants for that.

For Test, ast least you are forced to actaully take it on your own with everyone else.

Now it's more equal playing filed for essay.



They need to ditch the stupid essays, which if not written by a bit can be written by a parent or paid consultant. Useless
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 13:56     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are already apps to find ChatGPT cheats. Be forewarned.


The cheat detection tools are actually pretty bad...they miss ChatGPT nearly 50% of the time. Also, if your kid is smart you can run it through ChatGPT several times and refine as you go along such that the cheat detectors miss it nearly 100% of the time.
OpenAI, the corporation behind ChatGPT, has announced plans to introduce a new watermarking feature to help Google detect AI generated text. Watermarked text in ChatGPT will include cryptography in the form of embedding a word pattern, letters, and punctuation in the form of a secret code. And, detection tools are barely even created yet. The ball is just rolling. The detection will get better as well. Technology is a moving target. Plagiarism is a crime.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 13:47     Subject: ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:They will have to cease using these essays for applications if the bot just writes them. They serve no purpose at that point.

Material produced in class is real time will have to serve instruction, practice, and evaluation purposes.

How do I these bots do for written pieces of 10,000 words or more?


This is where College Board could actually be useful. They could replace the Common App essay with a timed essay written under proctored conditions. I would say ungraded because there was so much controversy about the grading. And send that to the schools. They could have a few prompts, so the kids spend a few hours writing one long and two short essays or whatever and College Board submits them to the school. They won’t be polished products , but everyone would be on equal footing and the consultants would not be able to write the essays.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 13:24     Subject: ChatGPT and the college application essay
They will have to cease using these essays for applications if the bot just writes them. They serve no purpose at that point.

Material produced in class is real time will have to serve instruction, practice, and evaluation purposes.

How do I these bots do for written pieces of 10,000 words or more?
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 12:39     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gone quiet. Are parents busy getting their children to generate new essays?


This thread makes me sad. My kid spent weeks on her essay(s), refining and editing. And now authentic essays will mean nothing.
NP


Your kid will be a better writer for the effort, which will be useful wherever she ends up. Granted, it’s nothing like a lot of the stuff she’ll be asked to write, but being able to edit your own work is an important skill to have.


What your child wrote is hopefully better than what OP got from the bot.


What's really scary is that a lot of parents here are so poorly educated that they think those essays are decent essays.

And these are the boneheads using consultants, test prep and hooks to jam their children into the CMU computer science meat grinder...



Let's cut the crap...these are decent essays and I am sure much better than an essay that you would write when trying to combine two disparate topics into anything resembling a unified essay.

Also, for the record folks, there are plenty of jobs paying extraordinarily high wages where you don't need to know how to even write a complete sentence. You realize nearly the entire VC, investment banking and P/E world makes multi-billion $$ decisions based on PP presentations where you write strings of bullet points. Not a complete sentence in sight. Also, most corporate legal documents are nothing more then templates created previously and then you find and replace for the specific transaction.


I just listened to an interview with a member of the screen writers guild and they seemed genuinely concerned that AI was going to replace the writers room. The quality of the writing is going to improve with every iteration, and in a few years it’s going to reach the point where it is both high quality and impossible to distinguish from human writing
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 12:24     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gone quiet. Are parents busy getting their children to generate new essays?


This thread makes me sad. My kid spent weeks on her essay(s), refining and editing. And now authentic essays will mean nothing.
NP


Your kid will be a better writer for the effort, which will be useful wherever she ends up. Granted, it’s nothing like a lot of the stuff she’ll be asked to write, but being able to edit your own work is an important skill to have.


What your child wrote is hopefully better than what OP got from the bot.


What's really scary is that a lot of parents here are so poorly educated that they think those essays are decent essays.

And these are the boneheads using consultants, test prep and hooks to jam their children into the CMU computer science meat grinder...



Let's cut the crap...these are decent essays and I am sure much better than an essay that you would write when trying to combine two disparate topics into anything resembling a unified essay.

Also, for the record folks, there are plenty of jobs paying extraordinarily high wages where you don't need to know how to even write a complete sentence. You realize nearly the entire VC, investment banking and P/E world makes multi-billion $$ decisions based on PP presentations where you write strings of bullet points. Not a complete sentence in sight. Also, most corporate legal documents are nothing more then templates created previously and then you find and replace for the specific transaction.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 12:21     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This thread has gone quiet. Are parents busy getting their children to generate new essays?


This thread makes me sad. My kid spent weeks on her essay(s), refining and editing. And now authentic essays will mean nothing.
NP


Your kid will be a better writer for the effort, which will be useful wherever she ends up. Granted, it’s nothing like a lot of the stuff she’ll be asked to write, but being able to edit your own work is an important skill to have.


What your child wrote is hopefully better than what OP got from the bot.


What's really scary is that a lot of parents here are so poorly educated that they think those essays are decent essays.

And these are the boneheads using consultants, test prep and hooks to jam their children into the CMU computer science meat grinder...


Don't pretend like your snowflake is some kind of literary genius. These essays ARE good. The more extensive your parameters (inputs), the more creative it will get. Just like google search. About time too. For far too long we have had to deal with the tyranny of the liberal arts that add close to no value. Now that a computer can write and paint classics, we just have to wait for robots that emote and act out those classics.. Good times.


By the time you enter all that just write the darn essay.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 12:11     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
Anonymous wrote:There are already apps to find ChatGPT cheats. Be forewarned.


The cheat detection tools are actually pretty bad...they miss ChatGPT nearly 50% of the time. Also, if your kid is smart you can run it through ChatGPT several times and refine as you go along such that the cheat detectors miss it nearly 100% of the time.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 10:31     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
I wonder if teachers will soon use this tool to write you kid's letter of recommendation. Lol.
Anonymous
Post 01/07/2023 08:51     Subject: Re:ChatGPT and the college application essay
There are already apps to find ChatGPT cheats. Be forewarned.