Anonymous
12/12/2022 17:26
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)
I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.
You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED acceptance.
No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.
Sure there are. Especially if more kids behave like that. Some kid who is on a waitlist might go to a different college where they were accepted rather than wait.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 17:24
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:The schools send back your application fee when you withdraw, right?
I doubt they do. But if they do, that would explain why they don't make it easy to withdraw.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 17:21
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.
Well that is a different issue. ED will never disappear because universities are a business and yes, surprisingly they want to ensure they fill their freshman class (and don't go over). So ED is a great tool for measuring yield
At this point, the rule is you withdraw all other applications once accepted ED unless you can be released due to not meeting financial need. So if you choose to participate in ED, you follow the rules.
Seems it would be easy for colleges to share their ED decisions among themselves, and they can automatically withdraw the other applicants, but this would violate anti-trust laws. DOJ went after Ivy league for colluding on financial aid.
What is the agreement for ED students? Why can't they just go to another college?
Anonymous
12/12/2022 17:18
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, they are in college now. Not citing the other schools, but they kids had their ED acceptances by Christmas, so it was absolutely ED 1.
From PP’s post, it doesn’t sound uncommon.
Some schools give early action results before Christmas.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:39
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.
It’s also a wonderful way for families like ours to demonstrate absolute commitment to one chosen school and enjoy the statistical advantage that confers. It’s a great option among many available options and it should be preserved
Exactly. It's affirmative action for the wealthy.
I was thinking the same thing!
"Statistical advantage" applies only to donation amounts. Legacy is not an "option." It's a priority for the advancement office. Just like athletes are for athletics. URMs for Diversity Office, etc.
None of us should flatter ourselves that any university in this century actually cares.
Besides, FG/LI is the highest priority for top schools. Between a poor, white, rural kid and bougie Black kid with same stats, they'll basically toss a coin.
Checkout Questbridge partner schools if you don't believe me.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:31
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:DD was accepted ED but the week before the acceptance we discovered she had a serious health issue that at the time we thought might require her to stay much closer to home. She withdrew EA apps from schools 2 or more hours away but she had two acceptances from schools close by already and she kept those options open for about 6 weeks while we figured out the extent of the health situation and what treatment she would need. In that period, we paid the deposit on the ED school.
All worked out ok, she is at the ED school and doing well so far. I'm sure someone will say it was unethical, but I did not want her to end up with no college options because of a medical issue.
NP I don't think anyone would think this unethical. Schools understand that there are extenuating circumstances, like financial or health crises. Glad your daughter is doing well!
I also think that the PP who reported someone (else) did the right thing. She reported to the school counselor who would know if extenuating circumstances were involved or of this was just a kid trying to play the system. That way, if the kid was unethical, the counselor could mitigate damage to school and other students. If the kid had extenuating circumstances, counselor could help.
But, the PP who keeps defending hanging on to a reach app after ED is not cool. I get what she was thinking, but the other posters were right. She signed a contract, and she broke for curiosity's sake. Even if the school takes 1 kid every few years, had they accepted her kid, another kid may not have gotten in, and they would not look to a certain school for the WL. And, it's true that it would have been one less kid getting an acceptance letter. I think we all want good news for as many kids a possible, right? So, we should keep that in mind as well as the ethics of the contract we signed in these decisions.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:30
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.
It’s also a wonderful way for families like ours to demonstrate absolute commitment to one chosen school and enjoy the statistical advantage that confers. It’s a great option among many available options and it should be preserved
Exactly. It's affirmative action for the wealthy.
Once kids realize there are no consequences for not withdrawing, middle class students will start using it and then just not taking the offer if the aid isn't there
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:15
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
No of course not. They want to see if they can get in somewhere better. It’s not legally binding.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:11
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. DD just declined 3 schools and withdrew all the EA and RD ones. For ED she had to enroll right away, so why keep those others out there. I am raising a good, honorable and ethical person. Not a sneaky selfish person who would take someone else spot ‘just to see’.
+1. Same here. My DC got into the ED college, and then immediately withdrew the other applications. I think OP is just trying to "stir the pot".
OP here and I am not. Apparently the schools in question have use REA which I never heard of. It explains the context and I thanked the poster who mentioned it.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 16:05
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ED is a scam to improve yield. It should be abolished.
It’s also a wonderful way for families like ours to demonstrate absolute commitment to one chosen school and enjoy the statistical advantage that confers. It’s a great option among many available options and it should be preserved
Exactly. It's affirmative action for the wealthy.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 15:30
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)
I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.
You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED because Iacceptance.
No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.
You do realize it would not likely be the same kid taken off the wait list and she would most likely have taken the spot of someone local. You should be embarrassed for not following the terms of ED because you put your kid’s curiosity over basic ethics.
First of all I was 100% sure she wasn’t getting in, and she didn’t. Secondly, she pulled all other apps. And yes they accept plenty more so even if she did get in, and turned it down how is that different than a kid who is applying as a safety and has no intention of going? Happens ALL the time.
Because applying as a Safety to 1000 schools is legal, ethical and not against the rules for anyone who is not submitting an ED application. Not even comparable. Stop attempting to justify what you/your daughter did. It's wrong and self centered. [/quote
There is nothing illegal or against the rules because the kid wasn’t accepted and even if she was, she wasn’t going. She was fully committed to her ED school. You’re being a bit of a drama queen.
You have multiple people telling you what your daughter did was unethical and directly in violation of the ED agreement and yet, you are still trying to defend it. Perhaps open up your mind to the fact that this was wrong instead of trying to justify it.
Eh I don’t care one bit what you think. I was being honest and answering the OPs question. I don’t have any regrets and it was not an issue, nor was it going to be. She pulled the apps except this one which was a total reach and we both knew she would’ve get in. She pulled 5-6 others. Go pick on someone else.
You post a lot for someone who doesn’t care. Not sure why it is so hard for you to say something along the lines of “in retrospect, it was wrong to not immediately withdraw all her other application as we agreed to when we signed the ED agreement.” Because it was definitely wrong no matter how many posts you make trying to justify it. Still time for you to tell your daughter this.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 15:27
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
^ wouldn’t have that is
Anonymous
12/12/2022 15:26
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My DD withdrew most of her EA apps but she was very curious about one particular very long shot school and could not find an easy way to withdraw her app so she let it ride. She did not get in, nor did she expect to have a snowballs chance in hell so didn't feel like it was a big deal. She did withdraw every other app (there were about 5-6 which were outstanding when she got her ED)
I should add, she didn't plan to accept the other school if she got in, just wanted to know if she would get in.
You do realize had she gotten in, she was taking a spot from another student. What a horrible lesson to allow your child not to follow the terms of her ED because Iacceptance.
No she wasn’t taking a sport from anyone because she wasn’t going to enroll. Colleges do not a 100% yield and therefore they accept way more than they need to fill the class. You really are clueless aren’t you? And even if they did, they would go to the waitlist if they didn’t get the yield they wanted. There is no kid sitting home crying in their cheerios as a result of my kid not pulling her app.
You do realize it would not likely be the same kid taken off the wait list and she would most likely have taken the spot of someone local. You should be embarrassed for not following the terms of ED because you put your kid’s curiosity over basic ethics.
First of all I was 100% sure she wasn’t getting in, and she didn’t. Secondly, she pulled all other apps. And yes they accept plenty more so even if she did get in, and turned it down how is that different than a kid who is applying as a safety and has no intention of going? Happens ALL the time.
Because applying as a Safety to 1000 schools is legal, ethical and not against the rules for anyone who is not submitting an ED application. Not even comparable. Stop attempting to justify what you/your daughter did. It's wrong and self centered. [/quote
There is nothing illegal or against the rules because the kid wasn’t accepted and even if she was, she wasn’t going. She was fully committed to her ED school. You’re being a bit of a drama queen.
You have multiple people telling you what your daughter did was unethical and directly in violation of the ED agreement and yet, you are still trying to defend it. Perhaps open up your mind to the fact that this was wrong instead of trying to justify it.
Eh I don’t care one bit what you think. I was being honest and answering the OPs question. I don’t have any regrets and it was not an issue, nor was it going to be. She pulled the apps except this one which was a total reach and we both knew she would’ve get in. She pulled 5-6 others. Go pick on someone else.
Anonymous
12/12/2022 15:10
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:Yes. DD just declined 3 schools and withdrew all the EA and RD ones. For ED she had to enroll right away, so why keep those others out there. I am raising a good, honorable and ethical person. Not a sneaky selfish person who would take someone else spot ‘just to see’.
+1. Same here. My DC got into the ED college, and then immediately withdrew the other applications. I think OP is just trying to "stir the pot".
Anonymous
12/12/2022 15:10
Subject: Do kids really withdraw all other applications when they get in ED?
Anonymous wrote:My DD was accepted ED last week and she withdrew all her other applications within 48 hours.
Thank you PP. Your student demonstrated integrity, compared to the poster whose child was just “curious” if they would get in to a later school. 🤮