Anonymous
11/13/2022 09:55
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.
My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.
And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.
How do you define “Failing”?
You can’t be serious.
I do not know why I bother engaging with you, PP, when you feign ignorance. Everyone knows there are far to many public schools which are unquestionably failing.
For the rest, who might not realized how these public schools fail generation after generation of kids (mostly BIPOC kids, BTW), here is just one of tens of thousands of articles about failing public schools - many nearby:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-schools-with-failing-marks-deserve-more-attention/2019/05/31/f1c2dc28-8314-11e9-b585-e36b16a531aa_story.html
That was my first post.
You said your school is failing. I’m just curious to know the data on which that is based, if you care to share.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 09:53
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think Virginia has teachers' unions.
A handful of districts have gained collective bargaining. FCPS is not one of them. Employees do not have to belong to a union. In FCPS it’s less than half.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 07:53
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OMG people go find out where states with school vouchers rank in education. You can not be this stupid.
They are.
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Dumb AF
Anonymous
11/13/2022 07:52
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.
Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.
It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.
Stop lying.
PP: it is you who keeps lying.
You protect failing schools full of incompetent unionized teachers who can’t be fired, nor held accountable.
The failing public schools you protect are condemning generation after generation of mostly Black and Latino kids to poverty and failure.
In this way, you democrats really are the ultimate, bigoted, racists by defending failing public (but unionized) schools.
No surprise there really: Democrats created the KKK and opposed the civil rights movement (look it up). Again: my own kids don’t need a voucher.
This thread is about **Virginia**.
Your irrational rants and propaganda are off-topic.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 07:36
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.
Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.
It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.
Stop lying.
PP: it is you who keeps lying.
You protect failing schools full of incompetent unionized teachers who can’t be fired, nor held accountable.
The failing public schools you protect are condemning generation after generation of mostly Black and Latino kids to poverty and failure.
In this way, you democrats really are the ultimate, bigoted, racists by defending failing public (but unionized) schools.
No surprise there really: Democrats created the KKK and opposed the civil rights movement (look it up). Again: my own kids don’t need a voucher.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 05:46
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my first time coming back and I didn't expect this to get off track. I'm not a right wing crazy or anything like that. I'm in a failing, title one school and am interested in other options. I went to public schools and am more interested in magnets than private schools. It just feels like our public schools are very poor quality here. My school in particular has no after school clubs, no language at all and no differentiation in reading or math. Kindergarten has really been eye opening and just a really bad experience. We went to a mediocre Pre-K and it was 100x better than public K.
My neighbors are fleeing our local school en masse and I think magnets would mean that they wouldn't move. I know in DC, school choice has let people stay in DC when before they would have gone to the suburbs.
And yes, a 10k voucher would be lifechanging for most people. A great private in my county is 15k, but there are Catholics that are under 10k.
Your "other options" are moving, homeschooling or paying for your own private. You're welcome.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 05:44
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Vouchers will defund our public schools and subsidize private school tuition primarily for kids already in private school. Look at what happened in IN and MI.
Public schools with be left with less money to meet the needs of the kids who won't get a seat at private school and/or can't afford it - often the neediest kids.
It is the neediest kids who benefit most from vouchers.
Stop lying.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 05:43
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml
For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.
We also have specialty schools.
Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.
A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.
I don’t want to subsidize private school kids.
I wouldn’t worry about it. The most well-off people who want private (such as many politicians of all political parties) can do private without blinking. Vouchers can assist middle class and working class to escape a failing public school system but the wealthy don’t need them.
What you just spewed is the Right Wing party line about vouchers. It’s also total BS.
Make an argument sweetie.
Just did, sweetie. Now you stop spewing BS Right Wing talking points.
Oh, and you still aren't getting vouchers.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 05:41
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:OMG people go find out where states with school vouchers rank in education. You can not be this stupid.
They are.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 03:27
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Charter Schools: https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/charter_schools.shtml
For the 2022-23 school year, there are 143 magnet public schools serving 153,580 students in Virginia.
We also have specialty schools.
Vouchers? Not likely in VA, but I'm sure Youngkin will try.
A voucher in Fairfax or Arlington is just a tax break for a family already sending their kid to private. I don't see it ever happening here.
You are incorrect.
Youngkin is already in talks with Betsey Devos. The only reason he has not tried this is L Louise Lucas.
If Republicans take charge of Virginia after mid terms or in 2024 Virginia schools will now be Alabama, Missouri, and Mississippi basically crap that you get to pay for and drive farther to.
yup....can't wait till my kids are done with school. the sooner the better to avoid this nonsense.
Vouchers work against equity, inclusion and diversity.
Some people oppose diversity, equity and inclusion.
Yea, we know there are really shitty right-wing racists/Christian nationalists in our state. I mean, those people will burn in Hell for all eternity but their vote counts as much as mine. At least there are fewer of them.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 02:01
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
I don't think Virginia has teachers' unions.
Anonymous
11/12/2022 14:43
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable
Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.
No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.
It would hold FCPS accountable.
The PP cares nothing about what is best for children - especially children from needy families.
PP simply regurgitates deceptions from the teacher’s unions, who do not represent your children’s interests.
The local unions kept immunized teachers out of schools while your kids suffered in front of screens during the pandemic.
The teachers unions protect bad teachers; they nearly withheld their endorsement of Clinton over a plan to require teacher competency checks.
Look, I don’t need a voucher; I can afford private for my kids. I still support vouchers, as a remedy for failing public schools.
Take a closer look at who opposes vouchers: it is the unions, who are addicted to the money they coerce from members. They insist on denying needy kids any way out of the failing schools they profit from.
Anonymous
11/12/2022 09:23
Subject: Re:School vouchers in Virginia?
I am from rural Virginia. Once you get outside of the the Nova, Richmond, and Virginia Beach/Norfolk area, there are few private schools, they are mostly of poor quality, and many were founded in response to desegregation.
Anonymous
11/12/2022 07:48
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Has there ever been any real discussion of vouchers in Virginia? Or even charter schools? Or magnet schools? I came from a state that had so many choices- IB (which I do see here in Virginia), arts magnets, math magnets, language immersion.
I think that's more common in the deep south and seems to be one way they get around desegregation.
Anonymous
11/11/2022 19:07
Subject: School vouchers in Virginia?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It would get hold fcps accountable
Right. Accountable for all the neediest special education children, and ESL/immigrant parents who don’t know how to get a voucher or are afraid of ICE.
No it would not hold FCPS accountable, it would be a drain of money, and talent for the system. It would also take away community schools and encourage use of personal vehicles to transport children or longer bus routes for all these “private” schools. All to allow you and people like you to continue to feel superior and have a safe place to vent your anger.
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