Anonymous wrote:My mom didn't go to any college and I didn't go to college in US, my daughter is underprivileged as a first generation applying to American colleges but she has to compete against students whose parents understand this system. She can beat them but being an Asian, she is in a limited quota group so less desirable than underachievers of other quota groups.

It is a fallacy that that there is a quota, and it is a fallacy that the kids who got into whatever school you are talking about are underachievers. They do not force rank admissions based on a single test, nor should they.

Anonymous wrote:Higher education shoud be mainly for acedemic merit and must be color blind.

Not really. It never was.

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The US is only 13% black and 6% Asian. Colleges should be majority white because the US is majority white. The elite colleges that are 50% minority have way over-corrected.

Harvard's class of 2026 is 43% White, 28% Asian, 14% Black, 11% Latino.

Princeton's class of 2026 is nearly 50% White, 25% Asian, 9% Black, 8% Latino.

These schools are still not hitting 2020 census marks with Latino and Black populations; they are far from overrepresented.

These numbers are wrong because they do not account for the 15% international students.

“Asian Americans make up 27.6 percent of the class; African Americans 14.4 percent; Latinx 11.9 percent; and Native Americans and Native Hawaiians 3.6 percent. International students constitute 15.3 percent of the class.” https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/07/class-of-2026-yield-at-nearly-84-percent/

African Americans are 14.4/84.7, or 17% of domestic students, Asian Americans are 27.6/84.7 or 33% of domestic students etc.

Anonymous wrote:My mom didn't go to any college and I didn't go to college in US, my daughter is underprivileged as a first generation applying to American colleges but she has to compete against students whose parents understand this system. She can beat them but being an Asian, she is in a limited quota group so less desirable than underachievers of other quota groups.

First gen is take into strong consideration by colleges - as well it should be.
Your daughter will be evaluated as a first gen - regardless of race - also how it should be.

No, the daughter is not first generation if the parent went to college, even in another country. Growing up with parents who never went to college is very different from growing up with parents who went to college, no matter what country the college is in.

You are only first generation if your parents did not go to college at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Higher education shoud be mainly for acedemic merit and must be color blind.

Actually, higher education is about far more than just academics.

That’s not an excuse to make it about race. Nice attempt.

So you would be ok attending a school with 95% Asians and Whites.

Yes if it happens to be that with academic qualifications

My mom didn't go to any college and I didn't go to college in US, my daughter is underprivileged as a first generation applying to American colleges but she has to compete against students whose parents understand this system. She can beat them but being an Asian, she is in a limited quota group so less desirable than underachievers of other quota groups.

First gen is take into strong consideration by colleges - as well it should be.
Your daughter will be evaluated as a first gen - regardless of race - also how it should be.

Sometimes you can tell from people’s names. Nice try scotus. There are ways around it.

^65% white

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The US is only 13% black and 6% Asian. Colleges should be majority white because the US is majority white. The elite colleges that are 50% minority have way over-corrected.

Harvard's class of 2026 is 43% White, 28% Asian, 14% Black, 11% Latino.

Princeton's class of 2026 is nearly 50% White, 25% Asian, 9% Black, 8% Latino.

These schools are still not hitting 2020 census marks with Latino and Black populations; they are far from overrepresented.

Not sure I follow.

Black representation in your breakdown is exactly on par with the census numbers for the black population. Whites and Latinos are underrepresented if we are going off census ratios. That obviously means those percentages have to come from Asians, who are vastly overrepresented because they score so high academically. The country is still almost 5% white when you count white Hispanics, about 14% black, 16% Latino, and 5-6% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a white person with both white kids and asian kids. I do not think my asian kids raised in the same house should have to score 300 points higher on the SAT for the same shot at admissions to my alma mater (Harvard). That is pure racism and I will never vote democrat again after seeing how they support this.

Yeah.. having to score 300 points more than a rich white lax bro for the same shot is a travesty.

Your grievances are misguided.

The truth is that legacy admissions are the real issue.

If your kid can't get into Harvard with that advantage (assuming all of the high dollar test prep and cushy tutoring worked), then sorry.

You can have more than one real issue: legacies, Asian Americans, athletes, etc. They are all problematic.

Actually measuring someone by test scores is the real problem.

We don’t want just people good at tests in colleges.

Give me athletes, artists and legacies over test scores any day

Give me a high-scoring tax atty on the LSAT or high-scoring interventional radiologist on the MCAT any day

Nope, the higher the worse. There should be a minimum but there is a deminishing rate of return once you get too high.

See, e.g., Yale Law School

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The US is only 13% black and 6% Asian. Colleges should be majority white because the US is majority white. The elite colleges that are 50% minority have way over-corrected.

Harvard's class of 2026 is 43% White, 28% Asian, 14% Black, 11% Latino.

Princeton's class of 2026 is nearly 50% White, 25% Asian, 9% Black, 8% Latino.

These schools are still not hitting 2020 census marks with Latino and Black populations; they are far from overrepresented.

They're overrepresented relative to the present of them that are actually QUALIFIED. I don't know if people who keep parroting your notion that the percent in elite colleges should reflect the percent of the population are just stupid or willfully trying to deceive

*percent of them

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The US is only 13% black and 6% Asian. Colleges should be majority white because the US is majority white. The elite colleges that are 50% minority have way over-corrected.

Harvard's class of 2026 is 43% White, 28% Asian, 14% Black, 11% Latino.

Princeton's class of 2026 is nearly 50% White, 25% Asian, 9% Black, 8% Latino.

These schools are still not hitting 2020 census marks with Latino and Black populations; they are far from overrepresented.

They're overrepresented relative to the present of them that are actually QUALIFIED. I don't know if people who keep parroting your notion that the percent in elite colleges should reflect the percent of the population are just stupid or willfully trying to deceive

My mom didn't go to any college and I didn't go to college in US, my daughter is underprivileged as a first generation applying to American colleges but she has to compete against students whose parents understand this system. She can beat them but being an Asian, she is in a limited quota group so less desirable than underachievers of other quota groups.

Anonymous wrote:Representation matters. If a kid can't see people like her in positions of privilege, she can't imagine getting there.

This poster has it right! Representation matters.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a white person with both white kids and asian kids. I do not think my asian kids raised in the same house should have to score 300 points higher on the SAT for the same shot at admissions to my alma mater (Harvard). That is pure racism and I will never vote democrat again after seeing how they support this.

Yeah.. having to score 300 points more than a rich white lax bro for the same shot is a travesty.

Your grievances are misguided.

The truth is that legacy admissions are the real issue.

If your kid can't get into Harvard with that advantage (assuming all of the high dollar test prep and cushy tutoring worked), then sorry.

You can have more than one real issue: legacies, Asian Americans, athletes, etc. They are all problematic.

Actually measuring someone by test scores is the real problem.

We don’t want just people good at tests in colleges.

Give me athletes, artists and legacies over test scores any day

Give me a high-scoring tax atty on the LSAT or high-scoring interventional radiologist on the MCAT any day

Nope, the higher the worse. There should be a minimum but there is a deminishing rate of return once you get too high.