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Anonymous wrote:Jane Fonda has had multiple surgeries but has never looked lizard or cat-like. I really don't understand how Priscilla Presley, Meg Ryan, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani have had work that looks so bad. Makes me sad to see it. They apparently don't really have the underlying self-confidence they say they have.

Yes, Jane Fonda has had a TON of work but...I like it. I think she's had more surgery but hasn't overdone the injectables. I think that's where a lot of people go wrong. Priscilla Presley is particularly unfortunate in that she had silicone or some other non-dissolvable pre- Juvederm type injections that couldn't be removed.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, the answer to the question is that it's a choice between looking weird and looking old. Women who age naturally are told they look terrible and are letting themselves go. If Gwen did that she probably would never work again. No one wakes up and is like "I want my face to look crazy" but they go too far with the fillers and injections bc to them (and society) it's still better than looking old

Anonymous wrote:Seriously. Why is this a thing?

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t think this is a “rich women” thing. Sadly women of all socioeconomic classes do this.

OTOH my mother and her friends are all “rich” women and they are aging old school NE Yankee style, grey men’s hair cuts, no makeup, turtlenecks and pearl studs. So its really more of a class than a wealth thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t think this is a “rich women” thing. Sadly women of all socioeconomic classes do this.

OTOH my mother and her friends are all “rich” women and they are aging old school NE Yankee style, grey men’s hair cuts, no makeup, turtlenecks and pearl studs. So its really more of a class than a wealth thing.

Thank God someone is here to defend rich women. The right rich women anyway.

Happy to do it! You can ask me anything about the “right” way to age, my people have very strong opinions.

Please tell me how to age like an NE Yankee, I am curious

OK, I will.

You develop a non-nonsense approach to life -- you get up early, you spend a chunk of the day outside, even in foul weather -- probably with dogs -- you don't mind your skin being weathered b/c it's proof you spent your life skiing, sailing and gardening. Plus your husband and all the women around you are strongly supporting this ethos. You love to walk. You even go on vacations to walk -- like rambling through the Cottwsolds for example. You believe a good brisk walk and a hot cup of tea will fix most any mood.

You don't complai. You don't get waxed, blow-outs, manicures. You don't spend money on yourself as in "self-care" unless buying a new bulb-digger to plant fall bulbs is considered self-care. Maybe you slap on some lipstick for Christmas Vespers at church.

You under no circumstances try to be sexy or trendy. You are practical and timeless in your fashion.

You focus on family, volunteer work in your community -- esp. if it's plants/garden related!, do the NYT crossword puzzle, carry on centuries old traditions like baking weird food no one actually wants, decoating and celebrating all the holidays, and most importantly embracing this stage of life as an adult women who has earned respect and dignity and is not trying to recapture her youth.

Oh and books, always be reading something that someone you respect suggested. Start your sentences with "The other day I heard on NPR . . ."

You join -- church, civic groups, tennis ladders, garden clubs, book clubs etc.

Of course what makes this all possible is that literally all of the people in my mom's social circle are the same! NPR-listening, no-nonsense, dog-loving, gardeners.

Huh. I grew up in New England, my parents still live there, and while I def see some of that "still shoveling the driveway at 90" sort of thing my mother and her friends are a lot artsier, and a lot more vain. My mom hasn't had surgery or fillers but she spends a good fortune on skincare products - and her skin looks great. She's always worn makeup and gotten manicures. She is partially disabled and we are Jewish, and she isn't going to church or spending all day outside. We do love gardening, though - you've got us there.

But wow you sure have a limited view of what "New England" women are like. I'm guessing you're from a wealthy town in Connecticut?

Actually, a wealthy town in Mass! But I am only talking about my mom and her people. Of course NE is filled with all types, but it is striking this sub-culture of NE women like my mom and her friends who seem to totally buck the current trends of long, highlighted hair, botox, fake tans, teddy clothes for older women. They seem to totally own their age.

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Anonymous wrote:Man that is so sad to see. She was always so beautiful!

She’s ALWAYS had a ton of work done. You liked it until you didn’t.

She had a lot of work done in 1997? I don't think so.

I don't even recognize this Gwen.



- new poster who agrees she was beautiful and insanely cool

Anonymous wrote:The picture you posted is extremely unflattering. I watched her on the Voice this week and she doesn't look like that. She looks very youthful and not at all deformed.

Sure you can tell she had botox and fillers and a ton of makeup but it doesn't look terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Jane Fonda has had multiple surgeries but has never looked lizard or cat-like. I really don't understand how Priscilla Presley, Meg Ryan, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani have had work that looks so bad. Makes me sad to see it. They apparently don't really have the underlying self-confidence they say they have.

Yes, Jane Fonda has had a TON of work but...I like it. I think she's had more surgery but hasn't overdone the injectables. I think that's where a lot of people go wrong. Priscilla Presley is particularly unfortunate in that she had silicone or some other non-dissolvable pre- Juvederm type injections that couldn't be removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Jane Fonda has had multiple surgeries but has never looked lizard or cat-like. I really don't understand how Priscilla Presley, Meg Ryan, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani have had work that looks so bad. Makes me sad to see it. They apparently don't really have the underlying self-confidence they say they have.

Yes, Jane Fonda has had a TON of work but...I like it. I think she's had more surgery but hasn't overdone the injectables. I think that's where a lot of people go wrong. Priscilla Presley is particularly unfortunate in that she had silicone or some other non-dissolvable pre- Juvederm type injections that couldn't be removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another J. Lo photo from that funeral. I think she looks like a lot of rich middle aged women I know in big cities (they've had light cosmetic work, are in really, really good shape, spend a ton of money on skincare products and wear a lot of makeup).

I think some of this is also genetics and having skin that does not age as quickly/noticeably. A subset of people that tends to age really poorly is super pale skinned people who didn't stay out of the sun...

Anonymous wrote:Jane Fonda has had multiple surgeries but has never looked lizard or cat-like. I really don't understand how Priscilla Presley, Meg Ryan, Madonna, and Gwen Stefani have had work that looks so bad. Makes me sad to see it. They apparently don't really have the underlying self-confidence they say they have.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, the answer to the question is that it's a choice between looking weird and looking old. Women who age naturally are told they look terrible and are letting themselves go. If Gwen did that she probably would never work again. No one wakes up and is like "I want my face to look crazy" but they go too far with the fillers and injections bc to them (and society) it's still better than looking old