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Post 10/14/2022 21:48     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

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Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.


I can see where he's coming from, though -- other instructors openly talk about politics in class and on social media. You may disagree with his views, as I do, but it doesn't help Peloton's cause if he's given disparate treatment over old likes on Twitter (the ones I saw were from March) when others who talk politics more openly in class aren't.



Maybe I missed it, but who talks about politics? (Sadly) I follow a bunch of instructors on IG and most of them don’t go anywhere near any controversial topics and stick with self promotion/kids/dog/house/fitness. Maybe closest might be LGBT issues if you consider them “political.”


I don't take him, but I heard Matty talks about politics a lot. I feel like Cody mentioned he's voting for Biden on IG? Robin has mentioned it a few times, too.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 21:46     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


SC pays their instructors peanuts; new instructors make $50/class and teach 12 a week. I think they get a nickel or a penny for every butt on a bike. They just redid the salary structure so people are getting even less. A few instructors made six-figures before this and consistently sold out rooms pre-pandemic; that's not happening anymore and they got salary cuts.


My cursory google says 277 soul cycle instructors with an average salary of $50k. Peloton has 50 instructors probably with an average salary of like 300k. With a couple special 'extra well paid' ones which I assume SC has too. That actually comes our fairly even.

Peloton's operating costs last year were like 6.2 billion dollars. Let's say they spend 20M on instructor salaries. Thats .003% of their operating costs. And the ROI on that .003% is an annual retention rate of 92% (like unheard of in fitness). The problem isn't instructor salaries. The problem is mismanagement by previous leadership.


+100M, it's a company run by clowns from top to bottom. The instructors get the short end of the stick.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 15:23     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


SC pays their instructors peanuts; new instructors make $50/class and teach 12 a week. I think they get a nickel or a penny for every butt on a bike. They just redid the salary structure so people are getting even less. A few instructors made six-figures before this and consistently sold out rooms pre-pandemic; that's not happening anymore and they got salary cuts.


My cursory google says 277 soul cycle instructors with an average salary of $50k. Peloton has 50 instructors probably with an average salary of like 300k. With a couple special 'extra well paid' ones which I assume SC has too. That actually comes our fairly even.

Peloton's operating costs last year were like 6.2 billion dollars. Let's say they spend 20M on instructor salaries. Thats .003% of their operating costs. And the ROI on that .003% is an annual retention rate of 92% (like unheard of in fitness). The problem isn't instructor salaries. The problem is mismanagement by previous leadership.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 15:20     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

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Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.


I can see where he's coming from, though -- other instructors openly talk about politics in class and on social media. You may disagree with his views, as I do, but it doesn't help Peloton's cause if he's given disparate treatment over old likes on Twitter (the ones I saw were from March) when others who talk politics more openly in class aren't.


No one was forced to become a Peloton instructor. No one is owed a platform by their employer. Peloton picks what values they want to embody, and they can choose not to give a platform to someone who is opposed to the values they espouse. And this applies as much to people who work at the My Pillow company as it does Peloton.

But generally lawsuits like this are supposed to paint a villain and a victim. And it does. There is 110% stuff he has left out (as he should, you don't hand the opposition your weak points). Certainly he got a bunch of warnings about this and chose to keep doing it. They don't owe him a job.



Curious if anyone who has gone through his Twitter feed/likes and saw anything that might have precipitated the firing?
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 15:19     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.


I can see where he's coming from, though -- other instructors openly talk about politics in class and on social media. You may disagree with his views, as I do, but it doesn't help Peloton's cause if he's given disparate treatment over old likes on Twitter (the ones I saw were from March) when others who talk politics more openly in class aren't.



Maybe I missed it, but who talks about politics? (Sadly) I follow a bunch of instructors on IG and most of them don’t go anywhere near any controversial topics and stick with self promotion/kids/dog/house/fitness. Maybe closest might be LGBT issues if you consider them “political.”
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 15:10     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.


I can see where he's coming from, though -- other instructors openly talk about politics in class and on social media. You may disagree with his views, as I do, but it doesn't help Peloton's cause if he's given disparate treatment over old likes on Twitter (the ones I saw were from March) when others who talk politics more openly in class aren't.


No one was forced to become a Peloton instructor. No one is owed a platform by their employer. Peloton picks what values they want to embody, and they can choose not to give a platform to someone who is opposed to the values they espouse. And this applies as much to people who work at the My Pillow company as it does Peloton.

But generally lawsuits like this are supposed to paint a villain and a victim. And it does. There is 110% stuff he has left out (as he should, you don't hand the opposition your weak points). Certainly he got a bunch of warnings about this and chose to keep doing it. They don't owe him a job.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 13:19     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.


I can see where he's coming from, though -- other instructors openly talk about politics in class and on social media. You may disagree with his views, as I do, but it doesn't help Peloton's cause if he's given disparate treatment over old likes on Twitter (the ones I saw were from March) when others who talk politics more openly in class aren't.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 12:45     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.



What’s nuts is that he would feel so strongly about keeping up his Twitter stuff that he must have refused to take them down when asked.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 12:16     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


All of the above, but especially this. He is worth his weight in gold. Probably underpaid.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 12:10     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


100%. I was actually never a fan of Daniel- not that I disliked him but just prefer other instructors. That said, his liking of Candace Owens is enough for me on its own to never take a class of his again- it’s just totally antithetical to my personal values and I can’t stomach it. I don’t have an opinion on this lawsuit bc I want more info, such as Peloton’s response.. BUT my feeling was always that his firing had something to do with his social media behavior and that stuff being in direct conflict with their brand, their general vibe, and the values shared by their instructors who are a very diverse and inclusive bunch.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 12:03     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.


SC pays their instructors peanuts; new instructors make $50/class and teach 12 a week. I think they get a nickel or a penny for every butt on a bike. They just redid the salary structure so people are getting even less. A few instructors made six-figures before this and consistently sold out rooms pre-pandemic; that's not happening anymore and they got salary cuts.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 10:57     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:Hope he wins. There’s two sides to every story of course, but the complaint puts Jen Cotter in a very bad light.


On FB there are people who know her who say this doesn't sound like her, and FWIW (since this is all speculation) she has an LGBT kid, and Daniel has been liking a lot of anti trans anti vax stuff on social media.

I have to admit I agree with others that Peloton must have had a very good reason to let him go with a fairly paltry severance package. They know their press has been bad, and they know he's a popular instructor and it would have benefitted them to pay him off. They chose not to. And I have learned a lot of less than flattering things about him lately. I mean liking Candace Owens on twitter is enough all by itself almost. Which is a real bummer because he was my favorite strength instructor. I'm not going to say I know for sure who is right or wrong, but I know there are always three sides to every story and we're only hearing the first one, which in the world of PR gets a big advantage. And when there is money at play, the stories are always biased.

As for overpaying instructors you guys are nuts. Cody would be close to irreplaceable for them. The instructor salaries, even in the 6/7 figures, are drops in the bucket for the overall overhead and people fall in love with them. The fact that they don't have a rotating door of instructors honestly says a lot and it keeps butts on the bikes. People get attached, they get followings, people feel personally connected to their favorite instructors. Cody, with his 2-3 classes a week, is probably viewed by at minimum hundreds of thousands of users a week. And if he quit, I bet they would see a not insignificant of app users cancel. He's worth the million bucks or whatever he's getting. When you think about what the 'instructor salary' line item is at say, soul cycle? Its likely FAR more than peloton because they pay hundreds of instructors all over the country, instead of 50 like peloton is doing.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 09:37     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe he was making $260k a year and he wasn't even one of the star instructors. Cody must be raking it in if that's the case. I'm a huge Peloton fan and love the instructors, but Cody and Robin which are their two most popular bike instructors teach maybe 2-3 classes a week at the most. They're probably making twice what Daniel was making. . This is Peloton's main problem. Those salaries are way over inflated.


You couldn't be more wrong. Their main problem is the former CEO, who believed the pandemic would last forever, and wildly overestimated demand and equipment.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2022 09:35     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't believe he was making $260k a year and he wasn't even one of the star instructors. Cody must be raking it in if that's the case. I'm a huge Peloton fan and love the instructors, but Cody and Robin which are their two most popular bike instructors teach maybe 2-3 classes a week at the most. They're probably making twice what Daniel was making. . This is Peloton's main problem. Those salaries are way over inflated.


I thought 260k seemed pretty modest, especially for nyc.


right. young lawyers and bankers are pulling in that money.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2022 23:12     Subject: The Irish Yank is officially out at peloton

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can't believe he was making $260k a year and he wasn't even one of the star instructors. Cody must be raking it in if that's the case. I'm a huge Peloton fan and love the instructors, but Cody and Robin which are their two most popular bike instructors teach maybe 2-3 classes a week at the most. They're probably making twice what Daniel was making. . This is Peloton's main problem. Those salaries are way over inflated.


I thought 260k seemed pretty modest, especially for nyc.


I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if that was his base salary or total camp, and if it's the latter, how much of that was equity and/or bonuses. I remember seeing IG posts from Architectural Digest or a similar magazine of a Peloton yoga instructor buying an expensive Brooklyn brownstone and how she decorated it, so $260k is definitely on the low end.