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Anonymous wrote:1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) BC, UT Austin, W&M, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You list ranked by Princeton Review Academic Rating scores. Thought it would be interesting to compare to the list above which appears to be more of a synthesis of rankings.

Academics
How hard students work and how much they get back for their efforts, on a scale of 60–99. This rating is calculated from student survey results and statistical information reported by administrators. Factors weighed include how many hours students study outside of the classroom and the quality of students the school attracts. We also considered students' assessments of their professors, class size, student–teacher ratio, use of teaching assistants, amount of class discussion, registration, and resources.

Middlebury 99
Williams 99

Carleton 98

Chicago 94
Haverford 94
Wellesley 94

Bowdoin 93
Dartmouth 93
Johns Hopkins 93
MIT 93
Pomona 93

Brown 92
Hamilton 92
Vanderbilt 92
Vassar 92
Yale 92

Claremont McKenna 91
Emory 91
Stanford 91

Amherst 90
Caltech 90
Columbia 90
Cornell 90
Wash U 90

Barnard 89
Rice 89
W&M 89

BC 88
Duke 88
Northwestern 88
Princeton 88

CMU 87

Michigan 86
Penn 86

UNC 85
UVA 85

Notre Dame 84

Harvard 83

Davidson 82
Georgia Tech 82
Swarthmore 82

UCLA 81

Georgetown 80
UC Berkeley 80
UT Austin 80

USC 78

Student survey LOL

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) BC, UT Austin, W&M, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You list ranked by Princeton Review Academic Rating scores. Thought it would be interesting to compare to the list above which appears to be more of a synthesis of rankings.

Academics
How hard students work and how much they get back for their efforts, on a scale of 60–99. This rating is calculated from student survey results and statistical information reported by administrators. Factors weighed include how many hours students study outside of the classroom and the quality of students the school attracts. We also considered students' assessments of their professors, class size, student–teacher ratio, use of teaching assistants, amount of class discussion, registration, and resources.

Middlebury 99
Williams 99

Carleton 98

Chicago 94
Haverford 94
Wellesley 94

Bowdoin 93
Dartmouth 93
Johns Hopkins 93
MIT 93
Pomona 93

Brown 92
Hamilton 92
Vanderbilt 92
Vassar 92
Yale 92

Claremont McKenna 91
Emory 91
Stanford 91

Amherst 90
Caltech 90
Columbia 90
Cornell 90
Wash U 90

Barnard 89
Rice 89
W&M 89

BC 88
Duke 88
Northwestern 88
Princeton 88

CMU 87

Michigan 86
Penn 86

UNC 85
UVA 85

Notre Dame 84

Harvard 83

Davidson 82
Georgia Tech 82
Swarthmore 82

UCLA 81

Georgetown 80
UC Berkeley 80
UT Austin 80

USC 78

Hahahaha. I’m sorry Middlebury is the best school your kid got into, but let’s at least be realistic in our delusions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

My only adjustment would be to move Duke down to 1B with its peer group.

4H) Iowa State, Nebraska, Auburn, UC Davis, Clemson, NC State

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Anonymous wrote:Still, even taking out those 5 rankings the overall numbers don't change much. MIT is still #1 by a good margin.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

+1 The Reddit post is definitely the fairest way to do it if there's any way of doing this at all. Using 13 rankings and averaging them is a reasonably impartial measure to see what schools are widely considered the best. It's crazy that only four schools are in the top 10 in all 13 rankings, but it least it shows consistency: MIT, Stanford, Princeton, and Duke. Harvard of course got ambushed by Forbes college ranking this year so it unfortunately missed out.

Most of the 13 rankings don't have wide circulation or almost any public acceptance, so it honestly doesn't matter. We could add in 5 of the reranked lists from this thread, which would make 18 rankings. Would that be even fairer than the fairest way of doing things?

I kind of agree, I looked at the Reddit post and I would say probably 8 of the 13 rankings that were used are actually valuable based on their methodologies and circulation: US News, WSJ/THE, Forbes, Niche, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices. I think the other 5 probably don't need to be considered much and are a bit redundant. Still, even taking out those 5 rankings the overall numbers don't change much. MIT is still #1 by a good margin, the top 6 are still MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Harvard/Duke/Yale by a good margin, Penn/Caltech/Columbia/Northwestern are next up, and Rice/Dartmouth/UChicago/Brown/Cornell round out the top private schools. I think the main difference is some of the best public schools go up more, like UMich, UCLA, and Berkeley.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

+1 The Reddit post is definitely the fairest way to do it if there's any way of doing this at all. Using 13 rankings and averaging them is a reasonably impartial measure to see what schools are widely considered the best. It's crazy that only four schools are in the top 10 in all 13 rankings, but it least it shows consistency: MIT, Stanford, Princeton, and Duke. Harvard of course got ambushed by Forbes college ranking this year so it unfortunately missed out.

Most of the 13 rankings don't have wide circulation or almost any public acceptance, so it honestly doesn't matter. We could add in 5 of the reranked lists from this thread, which would make 18 rankings. Would that be even fairer than the fairest way of doing things?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) BC, UT Austin, W&M, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Actually Northwestern needs to be knocked down a tier. Chicago higher actually.

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke, Chicago

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) BC, UT Austin, W&M, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Read the Reddit post.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

+1 The Reddit post is definitely the fairest way to do it if there's any way of doing this at all. Using 13 rankings and averaging them is a reasonably impartial measure to see what schools are widely considered the best. It's crazy that only four schools are in the top 10 in all 13 rankings, but it least it shows consistency: MIT, Stanford, Princeton, and Duke. Harvard of course got ambushed by Forbes college ranking this year so it unfortunately missed out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) BC, UT Austin, W&M, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Very good but now way Duke is 1A. 1B is the correct place for it. I don't think Hamilton is in the same league but 3B is properly harder to fill so I will give it to you. I don't think UF/UCSD belong anywhere in the top 40. Only in US News they have a good rank. Lot of publics got pushed up due to Pell Grants. I feel like with the publics you reiterated the US News rankings.