Anonymous
10/01/2022 11:37
Subject: Re:Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Seems to me these consulting companies mainly move large sums of money from one place to another while taking a big cut for themselves
Anonymous
10/01/2022 11:24
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What other companies are as evil as McKinsey?
Nestle is still the most evil company in the world as far as I'm concerned. Not many others knowingly killed babies
Pfizer, Moderna, etc.
How so?
Anonymous
10/01/2022 11:04
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
McKinsey, BCG and Bain all have an online application period. Anyone from any school may apply via their web sites. That is how my DC got their job at these firms out of undergrad.
Anonymous
10/01/2022 10:50
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
These colleges have their career counseling crews and alumni networks working for them.
Test scores are also important to McKinsey, particularly for recruiting of international students. They recognize that not every talented kid is at HYPS but can bring them in to interview if they look good on paper
Which test scores?
well, a family member-- who had something like a 3.95 out of 4 average at a large state university as well as several (4 or 5?) years of work experience at a different consulting firm was getting recruited by mckinsey (i think-- it may have been bain or bcg) and had to submit SAT scores. This was probably 10 years ago. (Incidentally, a practically perfect GPA, crazy 'extracurriculars/leadership' and several years of work experience with seriously exemplary reviews at a competitor firm could not compensate for mediocre SAT scores. The in-house recruiter dropped her like a hot potato after getting the sat scores. So, unless it changed-- they really valued SAT scores.
Yeah, a certain other mgt consulting firm asked for my kid’s SAT/ACT scores
Anonymous
10/01/2022 10:08
Subject: Re:Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Of the top consulting firms..,( of which every google search I did said McKinsey..) which ones would you say are more ethical?
I know they’ve had issues, but I’d say E
Anonymous
10/01/2022 09:37
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I worked at one of MBB out of college (10+ years ago) and even then, remember there being very real conversations around professional standards and which clients/cases to work out. I wasn’t staffed on any morally questionable cases (think tobacco, opioids) and generally felt good about my time there.
I would take anything the NYT says with a grain of salt. They are not without some very real biases (think: anything large and corporate) that make me question their reporting. Still, as a former consultant, I do think there’s some element of truth here that McK really needs to reckon with. Companies are only Teflon for so long.
And as to some of the comments here - standard DCUM that think the only meaningful and moral work can be found in the public sector. I think it’s short sighted to say anyone going into these jobs simply only cares about money. It’s intellectually dishonest and weak argument at best. Most people go into consulting (or law or medicine or finance) because they are also very intellectually curious and competitive. The work and analysis is *hard*. It’s refreshing and invigorating to “crack” a case as we used to call it and then implement that solution. Not everyone wants to work as a teacher or public servant and that’s ok!
But as another PP said, it’s not a binary choice of consulting vs digging ditches in a village in Honduras. There are lots of jobs and companies and places to work. Why did PE and consulting become the holy grail?
PP. I can’t speak for PE, but my time at MBB was invaluable. The business model means that you get exposed to a wide variety of industries and clients very quickly. It’s a great job for a kinda nerdy person who loves to learn. You learn tons of business frameworks and then, with the help of more seasoned consultants, how to use/modify those frameworks (or simply parts of them) to analyze your client’s business. I had tons of responsibility at a young age, including modeling and presenting my work to clients. The professional training is unparalleled and you get tons of very helpful (and honest) feedback. It’s not for the faint of heart though. It’s a really hard job, especially when you factor in the sky high expectations and travel, and I totally get why people burn out quickly. I ended up going to law school afterwards and the 5 years of MBB + law school truly made a stronger thinker and better professional.
More than a decade later, it’s still the best employer/training I’ve ever had and I use the skills to this day. It’s also a great brand to have on your resume and I still get a nod of respect when I say I worked there. I would definitely encourage my kids to give it a go, though places like McK need to clean things up measurably.
I agree with this. The bad decisions get in the press, but there is a lot of good work going on and good talent development for future impact whether someone stays or goes on to a different company.
Anonymous
10/01/2022 09:34
Subject: Re:Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Of the top consulting firms..,( of which every google search I did said McKinsey..) which ones would you say are more ethical?
Anonymous
09/30/2022 23:15
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
These colleges have their career counseling crews and alumni networks working for them.
Test scores are also important to McKinsey, particularly for recruiting of international students. They recognize that not every talented kid is at HYPS but can bring them in to interview if they look good on paper
Which test scores?
well, a family member-- who had something like a 3.95 out of 4 average at a large state university as well as several (4 or 5?) years of work experience at a different consulting firm was getting recruited by mckinsey (i think-- it may have been bain or bcg) and had to submit SAT scores. This was probably 10 years ago. (Incidentally, a practically perfect GPA, crazy 'extracurriculars/leadership' and several years of work experience with seriously exemplary reviews at a competitor firm could not compensate for mediocre SAT scores. The in-house recruiter dropped her like a hot potato after getting the sat scores. So, unless it changed-- they really valued SAT scores.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 23:02
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
These colleges have their career counseling crews and alumni networks working for them.
Test scores are also important to McKinsey, particularly for recruiting of international students. They recognize that not every talented kid is at HYPS but can bring them in to interview if they look good on paper
Which test scores?
Anonymous
09/30/2022 22:38
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
These colleges have their career counseling crews and alumni networks working for them.
Test scores are also important to McKinsey, particularly for recruiting of international students. They recognize that not every talented kid is at HYPS but can bring them in to interview if they look good on paper
Anonymous
09/30/2022 22:27
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
These colleges have their career counseling crews and alumni networks working for them.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 22:25
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Your contacts and references play a significant role in getting internships and jobs at these companies.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 22:23
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do gooder here🙋🏻♀️ Went into public interest (doj) law and then MPH to “help” society.
This middle class b$&@ who likely left millions on the table with those choices is encouraging DS to grab everything he can get (coming out of a school listed in the OP) Don’t male the same mistakes I did. You can plant trees and join a literacy project if you want to “help.”
Why don't you just tell him to become a doctor?
Majority of doctors are after $$$$$$ as well.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 20:28
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1 I read that nauseating NY piece, too.
I hate what this area has become. Students aspiring to be MBB consultants instead of nonprofit workers. FinTech instead of medicine. BigLaw instead of ADAs or DoJ. I’m not even that old but I feel angry and resentful, missing the more innocent days of the nineties.
Our family required our DC get a real job out of college or else. He is also a consultant and raking in the bucks. So very proud of him! He makes very generous contributions to non-profit organizations.
So I say what difference does it make whether he work for a non-profit for a salary vs. making contributions to them?
Sure, spend your days figuring out how to perpetuate the opioid crisis or how to saddle people who qualify for charitable care with medical bills or have a brainstorm session about making people forget a regime dismembered a journalist with a saw and then donate 10k to habitat for humanity and it's all good
This 100%. Maybe it helps some folks sleep at night. But causing more harm just to try it make it better (or assuage your guilt) with donations to charitable orgs doesn't do anything do solve the problems that your company is helping to create.
Or your country, right?
Anonymous
09/30/2022 20:20
Subject: Which schools DON'T go to the "other" pile for McKinsey?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:+1 I read that nauseating NY piece, too.
I hate what this area has become. Students aspiring to be MBB consultants instead of nonprofit workers. FinTech instead of medicine. BigLaw instead of ADAs or DoJ. I’m not even that old but I feel angry and resentful, missing the more innocent days of the nineties.
Our family required our DC get a real job out of college or else. He is also a consultant and raking in the bucks. So very proud of him! He makes very generous contributions to non-profit organizations.
So I say what difference does it make whether he work for a non-profit for a salary vs. making contributions to them?
Sure, spend your days figuring out how to perpetuate the opioid crisis or how to saddle people who qualify for charitable care with medical bills or have a brainstorm session about making people forget a regime dismembered a journalist with a saw and then donate 10k to habitat for humanity and it's all good
This 100%. Maybe it helps some folks sleep at night. But causing more harm just to try it make it better (or assuage your guilt) with donations to charitable orgs doesn't do anything do solve the problems that your company is helping to create.