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Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate please? Is this about frats or something else?

Its not just the frats. All female dorms haze, as well

Dorms ? You mean in private schools or something? My college dorms didn't haze - I'm not even sure what that would look like since there are not a lot of upper classmen in dorms.

I went to a women's college where sororities were officially banned (there were some underground ones). The first thing I had to do before moving anything into the dorm was sign a no-hazing pledge. My ex was hazed when joining an eating club-they had to strip down to their underwear and get passed down a flight of stairs and then were locked in a basement with a keg that they had to finish.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember being disgusted when I saw my friends (young women) drinking beer out of baby bottles their freshman year to show their sorority allegiance to a fraternity as "little sisters."

+1

I purposely applied to universities that did not have Greek systems because I found this type of behavior gross. I
Aside from any hazing, I find the Greek system to be exclusionary and judgemental- my best friend from HS went to a public university with a big Greek presence. She was so tired at the beginning of sophomore year because she sat in a basement sorting through women who wanted to pledge her sorority. They had to fill out forms and submit pictures and then they decided who got in. It was so awful to me.

Yeah that’s how formal recruitment goes? I think everyone is aware of it especially now in the social media age.

I would be fine if I had a girl and she wanted to join a sorority. I’d make sure she knew about the time and financial commitment and she’d be using her summer job money to help pay dues - but I’d be fine with it from a purely safety standpoint. But I only have boys and I will strongly discourage them from Greek life. Every time you hear about one of these stories where a kid ends up dead or severely/permanently injured, it’s a freshman boy pledging a frat. When Greek orgs are kicked off campus for behavioral violations, 9/10 times it’s a frat, not a sorority. When you get a bunch of 18-22 year old young men together without a lot of oversight from adults, bad things happen.

Anonymous wrote:I remember being disgusted when I saw my friends (young women) drinking beer out of baby bottles their freshman year to show their sorority allegiance to a fraternity as "little sisters."

+1

I purposely applied to universities that did not have Greek systems because I found this type of behavior gross. I
Aside from any hazing, I find the Greek system to be exclusionary and judgemental- my best friend from HS went to a public university with a big Greek presence. She was so tired at the beginning of sophomore year because she sat in a basement sorting through women who wanted to pledge her sorority. They had to fill out forms and submit pictures and then they decided who got in. It was so awful to me.

Initiation to Oozma Kappa.

I remember being disgusted when I saw my friends (young women) drinking beer out of baby bottles their freshman year to show their sorority allegiance to a fraternity as "little sisters."

Branding was also common in a few of the Dartmouth frats as recently as 20 years ago. Not sure how it’s handled today.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate please? Is this about frats or something else?

Its not just the frats. All female dorms haze, as well

Dorms ? You mean in private schools or something? My college dorms didn't haze - I'm not even sure what that would look like since there are not a lot of upper classmen in dorms.

I believe the person meant to type sororities.

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Anonymous wrote:So many men have been branded by their fraternity.

I personally know at 3 - all from Historically Black colleges

That's another layer of psychopathy since branding was done to slaves years ago.

Anonymous wrote:So many men have been branded by their fraternity.

I personally know at 3 - all from Historically Black colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone elaborate please? Is this about frats or something else?

Its not just the frats. All female dorms haze, as well

Dorms ? You mean in private schools or something? My college dorms didn't haze - I'm not even sure what that would look like since there are not a lot of upper classmen in dorms.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I refused to allow our students to get involved with the Greek houses at college. They wanted to because they crave the social life. But there is more terrible stuff beyond hazing and young people are vulnerable and lonely.

How can you refuse an adult to make a decision for them.

My DD currently at a state school in GA and in a sorority has NEVER been hazed.

There is not a snowball’s chance in Hades that that is true at a public university in Georgia. Sorry.

Please provide evidence that my DD was hazed.

I’ll be waiting.

Provide evidence she never was.

You think your DD has control on what she does and when she does it and who she does it with. She does not. She is now a puppet and she will dance when they say to dance and she will drink too much if they tell her to do so.

You’re the one making the accusations so the burden of proof lies with you.

You’re other accusations are just so ignorant they are not worth of comment.

We're not in court. Hope your daughter makes it through without incident.

Watched 15 minutes of this hit piece and gave up. Apparently Nurses, the military and fire departments should be banned like Greek life as those were featured in the beginning. Maybe close HBCUs as well as orgs at those schools featured prominently in stories over 10 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:The demands of non violent hazing causes lower grades which could have a negative impact longer term. They require the pledges to clean and do manual chores and drive members around, leaving no time for studies. And if they refuse to do it they are out.

Freshmen are so vulnerable and it's so exploitative and wrong.

It's similar to the cycle of trauma that you often see in dysfunctional families: because Person A experienced a trauma, then new Person B must also experience the trauma in order to "bond."

Trauma bonding is a very real thing and see to be the psychological crux of the Greek experience. Because you experience the same trauma, I know I can trust you.

The military is structured very similarly in the name of "unit cohesion."

I get the concept and can see how that could happen in a Greek setting. But again, our sorority literally had NO trauma bonding.

To bond, we wore the letters, we got to know the older girls, we spent time planning and attending events, and we hung out with each other a lot that first semester (pledge class dinners and meetings etc.) But no forced hikes or all-nighters or body-shaming or forced drinking (a few of my pledge sisters were alcohol-free for various reasons.) Didn’t even hear stories about hazing passed down from the older girls - it just wasn’t part of the culture. 🤷‍♀️