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Anonymous wrote:This is OP. This was a mixed bag of responses! I should have said which neighborhood school, since this is really a question about where to look for housing. We can decide whether to apply for HB Woodlawn or not later. (Although I definitely appreciate that advice.) So of the neighborhood schools, which one(s) are best or good for her?

The lottery of HBW is a ridiculous long shot, so set that aside. I would actually aim for Williamsburg and Yorktown. They are not academic focused, because by and large it’s wealthy families who already have a path for their child and it doesn’t depend on grades. They are intense about sports though. But if your kid stays away from lacrosse and such it’s pretty chill.

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

You're missing the point, perhaps intentionally. It's not equitable for the students who don't live in the WL zone.

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

Whatever ROCS is. And the senior project is hardly a program - it's a full=year project in lieu of the other schools' "senior experiences." Wakefield's special "program" is AP network, which again, really isn't a program.
Secondly, IB SHOULD be a program and WL students should NOT be able to only partially participate. ALL Wakefield students have the same access to whatever the AP Network affords. Can't speak to YHS because I never even heard of ROCS, which (along with your own ignorance of Wakefield's "program") should give you an idea of the true significance of the other high school's programs v. IB at WL.

Your ridiculous response that it is equitable because all students districted to WL have access to the classes reflects either an enormous ignorance or an extremely limited understanding of the meaning of equity. It's equitable because it's equitable within the one school???

I will clarify, IB at WL should be full-time only; but I don't believe all students should have to participate in the IB program. Just that none of them should be able to pick and choose. Either it's a curriculum and academic program offering a unique diploma, or it isn't. And when students NOT living within the boundary of WL HAVE to be full-time IB, that is NOT equitable even within WL.

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

Whatever ROCS is. And the senior project is hardly a program - it's a full=year project in lieu of the other schools' "senior experiences." Wakefield's special "program" is AP network, which again, really isn't a program.
Secondly, IB SHOULD be a program and WL students should NOT be able to only partially participate. ALL Wakefield students have the same access to whatever the AP Network affords. Can't speak to YHS because I never even heard of ROCS, which (along with your own ignorance of Wakefield's "program") should give you an idea of the true significance of the other high school's programs v. IB at WL.

Your ridiculous response that it is equitable because all students districted to WL have access to the classes reflects either an enormous ignorance or an extremely limited understanding of the meaning of equity. It's equitable because it's equitable within the one school???

All county high schools have the same base course of study which includes a full AP program at each of the high schools. This is the result of years of planning from the 1970s-1990s. There are other programs on top of that at the three high schools. IB at W-L. Wakefield also has high school language immersion, COHORT, freshmen houses, etc. Yorktown's R.O.C.S. stands for Respect Others Community Self, which encompasses the school's focus on social-emotional learning. Programs throughout the year support that pedagogy. If there is enough community pushback against the status quo, then perhaps things will change. But for the past 30 or so years, this has been the APS model as designed on the concept of equity and the desire for more high school options back in the 1990s.

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

Whatever ROCS is. And the senior project is hardly a program - it's a full=year project in lieu of the other schools' "senior experiences." Wakefield's special "program" is AP network, which again, really isn't a program.
Secondly, IB SHOULD be a program and WL students should NOT be able to only partially participate. ALL Wakefield students have the same access to whatever the AP Network affords. Can't speak to YHS because I never even heard of ROCS, which (along with your own ignorance of Wakefield's "program") should give you an idea of the true significance of the other high school's programs v. IB at WL.

Your ridiculous response that it is equitable because all students districted to WL have access to the classes reflects either an enormous ignorance or an extremely limited understanding of the meaning of equity. It's equitable because it's equitable within the one school???

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Anonymous wrote:HB Woodlawn may be small, sure, but it’s pretty intense academically and really isn’t a place for kids with special needs. I think she’d be better off in one of the neighborhood schools, probably Wakefield.

Haha no, it follows the same curriculum as the rest of APS, with similar academic pathways. Just in a not overcrowded school in a gorgeous building

Two of my kids went to HB. I believe I know more about the school than you do.

So a random lottery school somehow ends up academic more advanced without any admission criteria? You are full of BS. It’s not a magnet, it’s lottery ticket.

Are you for real?

Yes, the academic profile of the average HB student is higher than the average at any of the neighborhood high schools, not because it’s a magnet school with admissions criteria, but because it tends to attract higher achievers as lottery applicants. It’s not like every 5th grader in the county applies to HB; the large majority don’t, and I suspect some families have never even heard of it.

It’s not that complicated, idiot.

It's not only the kids, it's the schedule. Kids take I think one more class than regular middle schools, so they only have each class four days instead of five. So they have less time to get through the same curriculum, which means the pace is quicker.

Oh, wow I’m going to print this and send to school board since the inequity that is HBW is just yawning wider. WL is overcrowded and being supersized, while HB students are capped in size with a academic enrichment. Holy absolute F.

do you also think it's inequitable that WL and TJ students can access IB curriculum but the rest of the county does not? or do you just hate HB?

WL accepts almost ALL IB applicants and has for years.

if you apply to WL for IB from out of boundary you have to do the full IB program or if not you are sent back to your home school. Anyone zoned for WL can take just a few IB classes. Tell me how that's equitable.

It's equitable because in-boundary W-L students have access to the full AP course of study as well. They should not be forced into taking IB. Back in the day, the W-L community agreed to IB only if the AP courses similarly expanded. The other two high schools were then supposed to come up with their unique programs to attract students: Wakefield has the Senior Project, and Yorktown has R.O.C.S.

Whatever ROCS is. And the senior project is hardly a program - it's a full=year project in lieu of the other schools' "senior experiences." Wakefield's special "program" is AP network, which again, really isn't a program.
Secondly, IB SHOULD be a program and WL students should NOT be able to only partially participate. ALL Wakefield students have the same access to whatever the AP Network affords. Can't speak to YHS because I never even heard of ROCS, which (along with your own ignorance of Wakefield's "program") should give you an idea of the true significance of the other high school's programs v. IB at WL.

Your ridiculous response that it is equitable because all students districted to WL have access to the classes reflects either an enormous ignorance or an extremely limited understanding of the meaning of equity. It's equitable because it's equitable within the one school???

I will clarify, IB at WL should be full-time only; but I don't believe all students should have to participate in the IB program. Just that none of them should be able to pick and choose. Either it's a curriculum and academic program offering a unique diploma, or it isn't. And when students NOT living within the boundary of WL HAVE to be full-time IB, that is NOT equitable even within WL.