Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:39
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you support the Jan. 6th traitors, you are MAGA.
What if you think they should be offered speedy trials somewhere other than the District as you don’t believe the juries selected in DC are impartial?
How many DC residents do you know well enough to pronounce them all as a group not capable of serving jury duty?
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:38
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:
“There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact” is a complete lie, so it’s not worth discussing with you.
How do you audit the authenticity of the vote for mailed in ballots? Explain how you can confirm that the vote was cast by the person whose name is on the ballot.
Look, I just had a person go into the bank, say they were me, use a fake ID and take thousands of dollars out of my account. The "authenticity" of that person was "confirmed". This is, of course, a crime that can be prosecuted and so is voter fraud. Just saying.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:38
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you support the Jan. 6th traitors, you are MAGA.
What if you think they should be offered speedy trials somewhere other than the District as you don’t believe the juries selected in DC are impartial?
That’s still MAGA. The traitors don’t get special privileges.
Bill of Rights applies to all defendants (MAGA and non MAGA alike). Sorry I’m starting to sound awfully MAGA here.
How is a trial by a jury of your peers in the jurisdiction where you committed the crime against the Bill of Rights? Your lawyer can petition the judge for a change of venue, but no amendment guarantees one.
6th amendment specifically guarantees 1) speedy trial and 2) impartial jury.
"impartial" doesn't mean what you think it means...jurors are not impartial simply because the facts and the law lead them to convict. from the tone of your argument, you seem to think that "impartial" means sympathetic. it doesn't
DP here, I don't detect any "tone". Impartial simply means someone who doesn't hold a preconceived bias against something. This may be difficult to do in a location where an event happened due to biased news coverage of the event. This is why it's common for a case to be moved out of the jurisdiction where the event happened.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:37
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you support the Jan. 6th traitors, you are MAGA.
What if you think they should be offered speedy trials somewhere other than the District as you don’t believe the juries selected in DC are impartial?
If you’re this simpleminded you might want to think about that before traveling to DC for the purpose of obstructing the constitutional process of counting electoral votes and a long list of other crimes? But you can always request a non-jury trial. Reevaluate your life choices if you call yourself a patriot but find yourself beating cops with a flagpole on the steps of the US Capitol.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:36
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:If you voted for Trump are you automatically a MAGA?
IMO, yes and you have no redeeming qualities.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:33
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you support the Jan. 6th traitors, you are MAGA.
What if you think they should be offered speedy trials somewhere other than the District as you don’t believe the juries selected in DC are impartial?
That’s still MAGA. The traitors don’t get special privileges.
Bill of Rights applies to all defendants (MAGA and non MAGA alike). Sorry I’m starting to sound awfully MAGA here.
How is a trial by a jury of your peers in the jurisdiction where you committed the crime against the Bill of Rights? Your lawyer can petition the judge for a change of venue, but no amendment guarantees one.
6th amendment specifically guarantees 1) speedy trial and 2) impartial jury.
"impartial" doesn't mean what you think it means...jurors are not impartial simply because the facts and the law lead them to convict. from the tone of your argument, you seem to think that "impartial" means sympathetic. it doesn't
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:32
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Making it easier to vote allows more people to vote. More votes can affect an outcome. It’s called democracy.
I wish voting was compulsory, like primary and secondary education. It's certainly a "public good" for people to vote.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:31
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you support the Jan. 6th traitors, you are MAGA.
What if you think they should be offered speedy trials somewhere other than the District as you don’t believe the juries selected in DC are impartial?
That’s still MAGA. The traitors don’t get special privileges.
Bill of Rights applies to all defendants (MAGA and non MAGA alike). Sorry I’m starting to sound awfully MAGA here.
Exactly. MAGA traitors don’t get special privileges no matter what you want. They can go through the process that everyone does. Glad we agreed, maybe there is hope for you after all.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:31
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Mailed ballots are inherently prone to fraud because there is no auditable chain of custody to ensure that the person who cast a vote is the same person who claims to be the voter. When you show up to vote at a polling place, you show ID, is given a ballot, you then fill it out in person, and feed it into the box/machine. That's complete chain of custody, the gold standard. Mailed ballots have no such guarantee - none what so ever. There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact. I would trust cell phone app voting far more than mailed voting - you can even use biometric authentication for people who want to be sure that no one else has stolen their vote. We use biometric authentication for banking transactions, there is no excuse why voting should be less secure.
Entire states have used mail in ballots for decades. Only MAGAs think this way.
Entire states used to allow slavery, doesn't mean it's right. If you have actual arguments showing how mailed ballots are secure, we can discuss.
“There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact” is a complete lie, so it’s not worth discussing with you.
How do you audit the authenticity of the vote for mailed in ballots? Explain how you can confirm that the vote was cast by the person whose name is on the ballot.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:31
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Mailed ballots are inherently prone to fraud because there is no auditable chain of custody to ensure that the person who cast a vote is the same person who claims to be the voter. When you show up to vote at a polling place, you show ID, is given a ballot, you then fill it out in person, and feed it into the box/machine. That's complete chain of custody, the gold standard. Mailed ballots have no such guarantee - none what so ever. There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact. I would trust cell phone app voting far more than mailed voting - you can even use biometric authentication for people who want to be sure that no one else has stolen their vote. We use biometric authentication for banking transactions, there is no excuse why voting should be less secure.
Entire states have used mail in ballots for decades. Only MAGAs think this way.
Which states? Or are you confusing absentee ballots...
Eight states—California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont and Washington—allow all elections to be conducted by mail.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-18-states-with-all-mail-elections.aspx
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:29
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Making it easier to vote allows more people to vote. More votes can affect an outcome. It’s called democracy.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:28
Subject: Re:How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Pence 2024
Is that you "mother"? Gross.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:27
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
Things you say when you’re incapable of understanding that circumstances have changed in three decades.
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:23
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Mailed ballots are inherently prone to fraud because there is no auditable chain of custody to ensure that the person who cast a vote is the same person who claims to be the voter. When you show up to vote at a polling place, you show ID, is given a ballot, you then fill it out in person, and feed it into the box/machine. That's complete chain of custody, the gold standard. Mailed ballots have no such guarantee - none what so ever. There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact. I would trust cell phone app voting far more than mailed voting - you can even use biometric authentication for people who want to be sure that no one else has stolen their vote. We use biometric authentication for banking transactions, there is no excuse why voting should be less secure.
Entire states have used mail in ballots for decades. Only MAGAs think this way.
So? That doesn’t negate the concerns about chain of custody
Anonymous
09/02/2022 11:22
Subject: How do I know if I’m a MAGA?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you believe the election was stolen?
Don't know. Up to the system to convince me that things are being done properly. Definitely don't agree with mail in ballots as they are right now. Voters should have to re-confirm voter registration information is current before a ballot can be mailed out. Maybe confirm by a certain date before district can mass mailed them out. The idea that cheating/mistakes are not occurring is insane. To what degree who knows.
If you are bored checkout this grand jury report from the past.
https://sites.duke.edu/pjms364s_01_s2016_jaydelancy/files/2016/04/Report-of-the-Special-Grand-Jury-US-District-Court-NE-Illinois-.pdf
The degree is not unknown. It’s very rare and doesn’t affect outcomes.
Certainly the wide use of mail in balloting may have affected the outcome. (This represented a process change, not necessarily election fraud.)
Mailed ballots are inherently prone to fraud because there is no auditable chain of custody to ensure that the person who cast a vote is the same person who claims to be the voter. When you show up to vote at a polling place, you show ID, is given a ballot, you then fill it out in person, and feed it into the box/machine. That's complete chain of custody, the gold standard. Mailed ballots have no such guarantee - none what so ever. There is no way to track the ballot or audit the authenticity of the vote after the fact. I would trust cell phone app voting far more than mailed voting - you can even use biometric authentication for people who want to be sure that no one else has stolen their vote. We use biometric authentication for banking transactions, there is no excuse why voting should be less secure.
Entire states have used mail in ballots for decades. Only MAGAs think this way.
Which states? Or are you confusing absentee ballots...