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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

You’d like to think that to make yourself feel better but it just isn’t true. Teachers love teaching the AAP class. They have fewer behavioral issues and more kids who can do and have great family support and want to learn! They don’t have nearly as many IEP or 504 meetings to prepare for and sit in on. It is just so much easier teaching the AAP kids.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

Certain pyramids across FCPS, the majority of kids do take honors and AP courses in HS even though they were not in AAP and they do great. I've taught in a few HS. Those kids will most likely be in your kids AP classes, but keep telling yourself otherwise. The kids could care less who was in what program in Elementary School, the few that do, have been been constantly told by the parents that they are smarter than others. A lot of kids really mature and start to thrive by HS, it is wonderful to watch that happen.

You’re not getting it. I’m referring to a specific subset of kids who will never be in honors of AP classes. The track my kid will be on will be different.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Interesting. Most of the poorly behaved kids at our elementary school are in AAP. I feel sorry for those teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

Bright kids from Gen Ed? Fine! We wanted our kids away from the really low kids. That’s why I like AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that by the time they are in high school, only those in AAP are in AP courses and the like? No, they are not. My gen ed kids are in AP courses alongside their former AAP peers. It literally does not matter, and you cannot tell who in high school was an AAP student and who was not. Secondly, do you really believe gen ed students are not as like-minded as your precious child? I mean, that’s really high-minded and you are in for a big surprise once your kids get to high school! Is the first question you ask your child’s friend, “We’re you in AAP?” Lol

This. What a joke the PP is.

You all are so stupid you don’t even understand what I’m talking about. This isn’t about asking who was in AAP or who got into a better college. I am simply stating some kids won’t be in the higher level course. That is a fact. DCUM at its finest!

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

Well I am. I’m talking about kids who can’t read, special Ed, major issues. In AAP in elementary, and to an extent in middle, you get away from those kids. They won’t be in your classes. That is part of the draw of AAP in Elementary for many parents. And this will continue in high school. Those kids will never join honors of AP classes.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

We’re not talking about “a kid who can’t read.” We’re talking about all the bright, formerly GE kids who were indistinguishable from your AAP kid. They will all be in the same advanced classes in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Can't gen ed kids elect to take honors classes at that point? BTW, My AAP 7th grader only has core AA classes; the rest of the classes are not "separated."

Yes, but the AAP classes are different and this is a school where everyone is encouraged to take honors

It depends on the MS school. Some AAP and honors are the same.

The students are separated. At schools with a lot of farms students encouraged to try honors, the classes will end up moving at very different paces.

I think the point people are trying to make is that IT DOES NOT Matter! By the time you get to MS and opt to take HN or in AAP, your day is MIXED with ALL kids. Math is completely separate-so that really can not be counted. LA, History, Sci may or may not be separated by AAP/HN/Regular BUT ALL other classes( PE, 2 electives or Foreign Language, "Mascot" Time, Lunch) are ALL MIXED. Plus by this point, your kids are friends with all kids from sports teams and other extra activities that the "peer" group thing becomes much less of a thing. By HS ALL kids can chose EVERY CLASS that they take regardless of in AAP,HN, GE etc. A ton of kids not in AAP(from ES) take Honors and AP or IB classes in HS.

I’m not counting lunch, study hall, those bullsh*t electives, or even PE as real classes. I don’t care if those classes are mixed. I only care about the core classes and I’m thankful my child is in AAP and surrounded by academically like minded peers.

Do you really believe that by the time they are in high school, only those in AAP are in AP courses and the like? No, they are not. My gen ed kids are in AP courses alongside their former AAP peers. It literally does not matter, and you cannot tell who in high school was an AAP student and who was not. Secondly, do you really believe gen ed students are not as like-minded as your precious child? I mean, that’s really high-minded and you are in for a big surprise once your kids get to high school! Is the first question you ask your child’s friend, “We’re you in AAP?” Lol

This. What a joke the PP is.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

You do realize in high school, AP classes are open to all? Get a clue. Many former GE kids outshine their former AAP peers in high school. Brace yourself!
DP

LD kids will be in AP classes? Doubtful.

+1 or kids who can’t read/write? They won’t be in any of my kids’ core classes, sorry. No matter how much you like to parrot “but they’re open to anyone!” No, the reality is only certain types of students can handle those classes. A kid who can’t read isn’t signing up for an AP class.

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Anonymous wrote:AAP goes out the door in 7th grade. I have had kids in both programs. When your child is young and the "first kid", this seems to be when most parents are more anxious about getting into AAP.. By the time they get to middle school and certainly high school you realize it wasn't worth the stress. One "possible" perk could be peer group but I will say, my middle child did not have the positive peer group in AAP that my older one did. So, at least for me, my belief is that is just depends on the class year as a whole. Youngest is not in AAP at a center and all has been fine. In fact it has been the smallest AAP class this school has had. 3rd grade GE teacher incorporated a ton of "AAP" curriculum-could be teacher dependent. Things seem to be really changing.

Funny, for our pyramid, 7th and 8th being separated is the biggest benefit

Yes. My kid can attend a better middle school due to AAP. Way less problems, drugs, behavior issues. More academic focus and kids on the right track. Thank God for AAP!

Then go to high school with those you done want in your middle school.

Nope, by then my kid will be in mostly AP classes and will rarely have to see those kids.

Certain pyramids across FCPS, the majority of kids do take honors and AP courses in HS even though they were not in AAP and they do great. I've taught in a few HS. Those kids will most likely be in your kids AP classes, but keep telling yourself otherwise. The kids could care less who was in what program in Elementary School, the few that do, have been been constantly told by the parents that they are smarter than others. A lot of kids really mature and start to thrive by HS, it is wonderful to watch that happen.