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Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

This is OP I know you are mocking me but I do live my life with much much care. I hate oceans because of all the critters and weird rashes you get after not to mention water safety. I also take precautions during lighting storms, that includes not venturing outside. And to an earlier poster, brain eating amoeba has a 100% fatality rate so I do avoid lakes as in we’ve never been to one and I don’t allow splash pads (one or two exceptions in places where I personally know the water is correctly treated).

So for something like covid that I literally have no control over and that could cause major damage (albeit small small risk of it) I don’t know how to deal. I don’t know if it’s enough to maybe keep the 4.5 year old home with a nanny and he’d be fine. Anyway, I appreciate the responses (especially some of the more helpful ones from folks that have reason to be more cautious).

You shouldn’t have had children if you’re just planning to keep them in a cave.

OP - ignore this mean person. I also took a lot of precaution until my baby could be vaccinated against Covid. It is hard to stay the course when others have seemed to stop caring or make a different risk assessment. I get it and don’t judge you one bit.

NP but did you read OP’s full post? PP was reacting to the extreme risk aversion OP described. It’s really damaging to not do anything because of fear of every. I’m surprised OP ever traveled because airplanes crash, cars crash, boats sink, trains crash. Not swimming in a lake ever because of brain eating amoeba? No ocean swimming because of creatures and sharks? This is someone who needs professional help.

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Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

This is OP I know you are mocking me but I do live my life with much much care. I hate oceans because of all the critters and weird rashes you get after not to mention water safety. I also take precautions during lighting storms, that includes not venturing outside. And to an earlier poster, brain eating amoeba has a 100% fatality rate so I do avoid lakes as in we’ve never been to one and I don’t allow splash pads (one or two exceptions in places where I personally know the water is correctly treated).

So for something like covid that I literally have no control over and that could cause major damage (albeit small small risk of it) I don’t know how to deal. I don’t know if it’s enough to maybe keep the 4.5 year old home with a nanny and he’d be fine. Anyway, I appreciate the responses (especially some of the more helpful ones from folks that have reason to be more cautious).

You shouldn’t have had children if you’re just planning to keep them in a cave.

OP - ignore this mean person. I also took a lot of precaution until my baby could be vaccinated against Covid. It is hard to stay the course when others have seemed to stop caring or make a different risk assessment. I get it and don’t judge you one bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

This is OP I know you are mocking me but I do live my life with much much care. I hate oceans because of all the critters and weird rashes you get after not to mention water safety. I also take precautions during lighting storms, that includes not venturing outside. And to an earlier poster, brain eating amoeba has a 100% fatality rate so I do avoid lakes as in we’ve never been to one and I don’t allow splash pads (one or two exceptions in places where I personally know the water is correctly treated).

So for something like covid that I literally have no control over and that could cause major damage (albeit small small risk of it) I don’t know how to deal. I don’t know if it’s enough to maybe keep the 4.5 year old home with a nanny and he’d be fine. Anyway, I appreciate the responses (especially some of the more helpful ones from folks that have reason to be more cautious).

You shouldn’t have had children if you’re just planning to keep them in a cave.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi op! I understand your concern.

Here’s my advice:

-obviously make sure you are all up to date on your vaccinations
-invest in good kn95s for your kid to wear. We use the ones from well before.
-test your kid one to three times a week using home tests. This increases the likelihood you will be able to catch COVID early and isolate the four year old from the rest of the household.
-keep your house well ventilated. Crack the windows, keep doors open whe nice out, buy hepa air filters, use Merv 13 air filters in the hvac.

Good luck!

This is incredibly messed up. Young children should not undergo recurring medical tests when they aren’t even sick. Please get help.

And isolate a 4yr old?!

You people are INSANE. I can only hope someone calls CPS when you ISOLATE A SICK 4 YEAR OLD FROM HIS FAMILY.

+1 on insanity. My sister is so covid-anxious that she didn't hold her OWN BABY for 3 days when the baby was about 6 weeks old. She had a cold and was so paranoid about getting the baby sick that she wouldn't hold her. Her husband and the nanny cared for the baby while she wore double masks and sat in another room. She is nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

This is OP I know you are mocking me but I do live my life with much much care. I hate oceans because of all the critters and weird rashes you get after not to mention water safety. I also take precautions during lighting storms, that includes not venturing outside. And to an earlier poster, brain eating amoeba has a 100% fatality rate so I do avoid lakes as in we’ve never been to one and I don’t allow splash pads (one or two exceptions in places where I personally know the water is correctly treated).

So for something like covid that I literally have no control over and that could cause major damage (albeit small small risk of it) I don’t know how to deal. I don’t know if it’s enough to maybe keep the 4.5 year old home with a nanny and he’d be fine. Anyway, I appreciate the responses (especially some of the more helpful ones from folks that have reason to be more cautious).

Okay now I am convinced you are a troll. If you're not, please tell us you are in therapy.

Anonymous wrote:OP again and yeah I wish I could fast forward we’ve all had covid and are fine after and assurance that no long term impact. I just want the best for both my kiddos and I have the opportunity and resources to do either so I want to choose right.

OP, fast forward the life of your children based on you isolating them from society while society is trucking on. What has that done to them as people? You can't undo that damage, either.

OP again and yeah I wish I could fast forward we’ve all had covid and are fine after and assurance that no long term impact. I just want the best for both my kiddos and I have the opportunity and resources to do either so I want to choose right.

Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

This is OP I know you are mocking me but I do live my life with much much care. I hate oceans because of all the critters and weird rashes you get after not to mention water safety. I also take precautions during lighting storms, that includes not venturing outside. And to an earlier poster, brain eating amoeba has a 100% fatality rate so I do avoid lakes as in we’ve never been to one and I don’t allow splash pads (one or two exceptions in places where I personally know the water is correctly treated).

So for something like covid that I literally have no control over and that could cause major damage (albeit small small risk of it) I don’t know how to deal. I don’t know if it’s enough to maybe keep the 4.5 year old home with a nanny and he’d be fine. Anyway, I appreciate the responses (especially some of the more helpful ones from folks that have reason to be more cautious).

Anonymous wrote:OP here still following the thread thank you for the input. I had a baby because I’m older. I knew I wanted a second and we were prepared to have a baby in 2020 but I waited a whole year for vaccines to come out. And we were in absolute lockdown my whole pregnancy like actual just home and yard deliveries only. I went in town to my appointments with a kn and n95 and face shields. Again I’m in a rural small town area so I can do this stuff but I know the preschool has had covid cases and the kids don’t wear masks anymore (or the teachers). It just sucks seeing my sister and mom deal with this weeks after infection. We’re European and A- blood type and I worry we may react worse (I don’t know just my anxiety trying to explain why things could be bad and not just a cold). And these articles about how much covid messes with you and cognition and nervous system and circulatory system don’t help. Do people just try not to think of these studies and hope for the best?

My spouse is a post-transplant (immunosuppressed) health care provider. For that reason, it shouldn't be surprising that we've stayed on top of COVID research. And admittedly, some of it didn't look good, particularly COVID infection outcomes for transplant patients, and early studies on vaccine efficacy in immunosuppressed individuals.

A common theme, though, is that the articles in the media, and even the abstracts in the academic papers themselves, always sound much worse than what the actual data shows. For example, measured antibody levels in transplant patients post-vaccination didn't look good, but the vaccine (particularly after a third dose) was still very effective at reducing the severity of illness. There's still more of a risk level than we'd like, but we've obviously already lived through more than our share of health conditions. This was a new risk, but didn't look much different than other risks we've accepted. We made some changes-- we limited indoor social interactions until the vaccines came out, and greatly limited travel-- but we kept working in-person and our young kids kept going to daycare.

Now the data doesn't even look particularly troubling. When factoring in the vaccines and treatments, outcomes for otherwise-healthy transplant patients are pretty good. Outcomes for kids aren't much different than other viruses. And despite all the media coverage about "Long COVID," the actual severity and frequency of it appears to be similar to post-viral syndrome following flu infections. The studies involving long COVID often ignore (or the articles/papers bury) the distinction between mild symptoms and severe symptoms. Many lack control groups, have major problems with selection bias, and rely on self-reporting on both infections and subjective symptoms. The higher quality studies don't look that bad.

So no, it's not that I'm trying not to think about it. I've thought about it, and it doesn't make sense to worry about it. Not for my spouse, and certainly not for my low-risk kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi op! I understand your concern.

Here’s my advice:

-obviously make sure you are all up to date on your vaccinations
-invest in good kn95s for your kid to wear. We use the ones from well before.
-test your kid one to three times a week using home tests. This increases the likelihood you will be able to catch COVID early and isolate the four year old from the rest of the household.
-keep your house well ventilated. Crack the windows, keep doors open whe nice out, buy hepa air filters, use Merv 13 air filters in the hvac.

Good luck!

This is all good advice. Also OP did you say if your DC will be eating at preschool? I’d ask about seeing if they can eat further away from the other kids, since it sounds like the other families aren’t careful.

This is extreme. OP, I echo the PPs who suggest therapy and/or medication. You’re not doing yourself or your kids any favors by being this extreme. FWIW, I have middle schoolers who went back to in person school in the fall of 2020. At that point, we decided there was no point being overly cautious since we assumed they would get it at school. We started work if our at the gym, eating at restaurants indoors, going into the office. We basically got back to normal with the exception of masks at some places. We didn’t get Covid until Jan. 2022. Three of the four in our household got it. It was mild enough that DH and I could work remotely the entire time. My middle schooler had fever for one day and was feeling fine the next (he had been vaccinated about four months prior- I have no idea if that made it milder).

My parents and in-laws, aged 75-90, all had it and it and none felt very sick. My MIL is even in the middle of chemo.

The bottom line is that for every story like your sister’s, you can find 100 like mine. For the overwhelming majority of people Covid, especially Omicron, is like the flu or milder.

Hello everyone.

I just want everyone to know that I read an article today informing me that there was a shark attack somewhere this weekend.

As a result, myself and my entire family will no longer be taking part in any more waterborne activities for the foreseeable future.

In addition, someone was struck by lightning the day before last. So we will not be venturing outside either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi op! I understand your concern.

Here’s my advice:

-obviously make sure you are all up to date on your vaccinations
-invest in good kn95s for your kid to wear. We use the ones from well before.
-test your kid one to three times a week using home tests. This increases the likelihood you will be able to catch COVID early and isolate the four year old from the rest of the household.
-keep your house well ventilated. Crack the windows, keep doors open whe nice out, buy hepa air filters, use Merv 13 air filters in the hvac.

Good luck!

This is incredibly messed up. Young children should not undergo recurring medical tests when they aren’t even sick. Please get help.

And isolate a 4yr old?!

You people are INSANE. I can only hope someone calls CPS when you ISOLATE A SICK 4 YEAR OLD FROM HIS FAMILY.

Oh cone on- isolating a 4yo is different from isolating an older member. 4yo needs to be separated from the baby- full stop. Parents wear N95s at all times around both kids for 14 days. Or maybe one parent is with the 4yo and other is with the baby. It’s not that hard.

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Anonymous wrote:OP I don’t want to be a jerk but - you realize your behavior is very extreme? Basically nobody is still doing what you are doing. Even the ones who were because of small kids aren’t anymore because they can get the kids vaccinated.

Think. Does it make sense to you that you are behaving so differently from everyone else? How do you justify it?

Actually that's incorrect. I have a 18 month old and we were completely isolated until DC got a shot. Since then we have started doing outdoor activities. I know other parents personally who have been the same and are slowly venturing out. Stop making her feel bad and like she is alone.
I work full time but have been able to work from home as my place or work are very cautious still about covid.
I have been taking care of my child whilst working. Its been incredibly difficult. A close friend is doing the same. For us the struggle was worth protecting our babies over. I had a nanny for a few months but found it a real pain.
Now that DC is vaccinated we will be sending DC to a daycare for 2 days a week. It's taken me a lot to get go this point. I also have a underlying condition. You can do this. Just take it slow. Be cautious. Check their policy. Don't let anyone make you feel ridiculous. Only YOU get to decide your risk tolerance. Due to the nature of my work I came across terrible covid cases and decided I didn't want that for my family. I also lost a family member ro covid and wanted to protect my child.
And for those who will comment about my child suffering absolutely not DC is ahead for DC's age,
spirited and a happy child. And does fine in the park around other kids.

Yeah but you’re in the vast minority.

You're a herd follower, we get it.

You’re paranoid and in need of professional help, we get it.

We are lot not lockdown. I was an early n95 adopter because I was pregnant. I remember some snotty b in ikea loudly proclaiming masks increase transmission so that I would be sure to overhear her. I ignored her. Two weeks later everything was locked down and nobody could buy masks or hand sanitizer. I knew cloth and surgical masks were BS from the outset because I was an EMT.

"Mainstream" sources have been wrong almost every single time with this stupid virus, and it will turn out to be that way with <50s and vaccines too.

so yea, when I see someone thinking for themselves, even if they might be wrong, I admire them at this point and I have to roll my eyes at the smug sheeple

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi op! I understand your concern.

Here’s my advice:

-obviously make sure you are all up to date on your vaccinations
-invest in good kn95s for your kid to wear. We use the ones from well before.
-test your kid one to three times a week using home tests. This increases the likelihood you will be able to catch COVID early and isolate the four year old from the rest of the household.
-keep your house well ventilated. Crack the windows, keep doors open whe nice out, buy hepa air filters, use Merv 13 air filters in the hvac.

Good luck!

This is incredibly messed up. Young children should not undergo recurring medical tests when they aren’t even sick. Please get help.

And isolate a 4yr old?!

You people are INSANE. I can only hope someone calls CPS when you ISOLATE A SICK 4 YEAR OLD FROM HIS FAMILY.

Anonymous wrote:Hi op! I understand your concern.

Here’s my advice:

-obviously make sure you are all up to date on your vaccinations
-invest in good kn95s for your kid to wear. We use the ones from well before.
-test your kid one to three times a week using home tests. This increases the likelihood you will be able to catch COVID early and isolate the four year old from the rest of the household.
-keep your house well ventilated. Crack the windows, keep doors open whe nice out, buy hepa air filters, use Merv 13 air filters in the hvac.

Good luck!

This is all good advice. Also OP did you say if your DC will be eating at preschool? I’d ask about seeing if they can eat further away from the other kids, since it sounds like the other families aren’t careful.