Anonymous wrote:The entire interview so everyone can judge for yourself. It’s more life advise than political commentary, but a lot of his points aren’t that radical imo:

*Humanities degrees aren’t worth that much, but you should go to college for specialized degrees
*Internet porn is bad
*Being promiscuous in your 20s is overrated and unfulfilling you should get married and have kids instead

Taking advice from this guy?

The entire interview so everyone can judge for yourself. It’s more life advise than political commentary, but a lot of his points aren’t that radical imo:

*Humanities degrees aren’t worth that much, but you should go to college for specialized degrees
*Internet porn is bad
*Being promiscuous in your 20s is overrated and unfulfilling you should get married and have kids instead

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Anonymous wrote:Building trades are very rough on the body and have the highest percentage of opioid addiction based on profession.

First-- citation on the opiod addiction, please.

Second- work is hard on the body. Sitting in zoom meetings, staring at a screen is not healthy.

LOL you can't be serious.

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Anonymous wrote:Building trades are very rough on the body and have the highest percentage of opioid addiction based on profession.

First-- citation on the opiod addiction, please.

Second- work is hard on the body. Sitting in zoom meetings, staring at a screen is not healthy.

Not that hard to google.
https://www.nsc.org/getmedia/9dc908e1-041a-41c5-a607-c4cef2390973/substance-use-disorders-by-occupation.pdf

On the job accidents and repetitive strain injuries from intense manual labor are a recipe for painkiller prescriptions that can quickly lead to abuse.

Anonymous wrote:Building trades are very rough on the body and have the highest percentage of opioid addiction based on profession.

First-- citation on the opiod addiction, please.

Second- work is hard on the body. Sitting in zoom meetings, staring at a screen is not healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.

Whats interesting is that as college rates have increased, SES mobility rates have decreased. So the evidence that this advice (go to college) should not be standard issue to every child is there for anyone willing to see it. But its heresy so most people wont.

If true, this is a very interesting insight. Any links for this? Thanks.

College enrollment rates have increased 195% since 1970, when 3.5% of the U.S. population were college students. Source:

https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics#:~:text=College%20enrollment%20rates%20have%20increased,U.S.%20population%20were%20college%20students.


The decline in mobility, stagnation in wages, and increase in inequality is less straightforward, but well documented. Here's an article with graphs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/amp/


If you want to go down a fun rabbit hole, compare our economic mobility to countries that have expanded the trades vs university education, such as Germany.

This! And this is actually a left wing, Union talking point but because the Democrats on here are Blue Dog corporatists they conflate anything that would materially benefit the working class with “MAGA/Tucker/etc” because this country’s politics are broken and no party represents the working class anymore.

Anonymous wrote:Building trades are very rough on the body and have the highest percentage of opioid addiction based on profession.

They are rough on the body but you can transition to be a master electrician, master carpenter, or master plumber and basically get paid to supervise people. Also, jobs like X-Ray techs and other technical jobs in medicine that don’t require a 4-year degree pay very well and are more sought after than your average liberal arts major. No one in here, not me at least, is advocating for trade school over going to college for STEM degrees. But everyone isn’t cut out for a STEM degree and getting a technical degree, with not only less debt involved but no years wasted not earning a good salary, is a more prudent choice a lot of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Take risks, be a plumber...fine. live that life as am educated person instead of an uneducated person.

Exactly, isn't this what community colleges are for, do two years for minimal expense, get a good liberal arts foundation, and then if you want to keep going, two more years to pay for, which doesn't equate to hundreds of thousands. My plumber has a bachelor's degree, is very well read, subscribes to the NY Times and WAPO, loves jazz and classical music, and is a season ticket holder at the Kennedy Center, and has a number of interests outside of the blue-collar world of plumbing. His line of work gives him freedom and financial security to pursue his many interests, interests that were introduced to him through the foundation of his liberal arts studies.

Also, he thinks Fox News is a clown show car wreck with a few two many circus rings.

The average DCUMer thinks every tradesman is a toothless rube though because Americans for some reason put more stock racking up debt on a liberal arts degree that gets you a $55,000 salary than a trade job that gets you $75/hr. Attitudes about trade school are more refined in Germany, Italy, etc.

Go to your local Mercedes dealer and asks what a mechanic makes. It’ll be way more than what a Communications major makes…

Right. Because every trade school graduate or heck, trades person, is protected in the same way as your German tradesperson. Look at the big picture. Nobody cares about your little anecdotes.

Is the Communications major with a $200,000 student loan bill who is living with their parents while they drive Uber Eats because they can’t get a non intern, paying job more protected? The problem here is that most of the privileged snobs who make up the majority of DCUM don’t know any tradespeople beyond the ones they employ. My cousin is an electrician with his own licensed and insured business and makes more money than me and I have a MA from a good school. My other cousin has been an electrician for 20+ years and has a $1.2M home, three BMWs, and an in-ground pool. The former never went to college and latter is a college drop out. Both have been married for 20+ years and have large, happy families. The one who owns his own business doesn’t even have to advertise anymore because he has an extensive built in client base and only gets new people from referrals. If his sons or daughters want to follow in his foot steps they will never have to worry about money because of his businesses reputation and client base.

Some of you need to maybe venture out of your well-ensconced UMC milieus and break bread with some people from different walks of life. You’d be surprised how misguided your preconceptions are.

Building trades are very rough on the body and have the highest percentage of opioid addiction based on profession.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.

Whats interesting is that as college rates have increased, SES mobility rates have decreased. So the evidence that this advice (go to college) should not be standard issue to every child is there for anyone willing to see it. But its heresy so most people wont.

If true, this is a very interesting insight. Any links for this? Thanks.

College enrollment rates have increased 195% since 1970, when 3.5% of the U.S. population were college students. Source:

https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics#:~:text=College%20enrollment%20rates%20have%20increased,U.S.%20population%20were%20college%20students.


The decline in mobility, stagnation in wages, and increase in inequality is less straightforward, but well documented. Here's an article with graphs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/amp/


If you want to go down a fun rabbit hole, compare our economic mobility to countries that have expanded the trades vs university education, such as Germany.

Thank you for providing a good starting point. Look forward to reading.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.

Whats interesting is that as college rates have increased, SES mobility rates have decreased. So the evidence that this advice (go to college) should not be standard issue to every child is there for anyone willing to see it. But its heresy so most people wont.

But if you don’t go, odds are that you all down even more. College isn’t sufficient any more. But it is necessary. Why do you think the kids of this doofus didn’t skip college?

Tucker's kids will be successful regardless of college because of their social circle. For his kids, going to a prestigious school is about pedigree-- not about learning essential workplace skills.

Middle class kids are told to major in something they can work in, which demonstrates a stark difference in motivation. For wealthy kids, college is about refinement, for middle and lower class kids, its essentially a really long and expensive trade school.

What's more... facts are facts. You cant wish away the fact that as college rates have increased, our economy has gotten more turbulent, especially for people on the wrong side of middle class. I love that you're answer is to double down on the failed social policy of pushing every kid in the US into college. You may want to take a peak at how countries that dont have widespread inequality have handled this. We are missing entire sectors and industries of skilled labor and higher-level skilled trades that people could work in, but that we outsource to places like Europe.

You should send your kids to trade school. I have been saving for mine for college since they were born. We’ll both do what we think is best.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.

Whats interesting is that as college rates have increased, SES mobility rates have decreased. So the evidence that this advice (go to college) should not be standard issue to every child is there for anyone willing to see it. But its heresy so most people wont.

But if you don’t go, odds are that you all down even more. College isn’t sufficient any more. But it is necessary. Why do you think the kids of this doofus didn’t skip college?

Tucker's kids will be successful regardless of college because of their social circle. For his kids, going to a prestigious school is about pedigree-- not about learning essential workplace skills.

Middle class kids are told to major in something they can work in, which demonstrates a stark difference in motivation. For wealthy kids, college is about refinement, for middle and lower class kids, its essentially a really long and expensive trade school.

What's more... facts are facts. You cant wish away the fact that as college rates have increased, our economy has gotten more turbulent, especially for people on the wrong side of middle class. I love that you're answer is to double down on the failed social policy of pushing every kid in the US into college. You may want to take a peak at how countries that dont have widespread inequality have handled this. We are missing entire sectors and industries of skilled labor and higher-level skilled trades that people could work in, but that we outsource to places like Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.

Whats interesting is that as college rates have increased, SES mobility rates have decreased. So the evidence that this advice (go to college) should not be standard issue to every child is there for anyone willing to see it. But its heresy so most people wont.

If true, this is a very interesting insight. Any links for this? Thanks.

College enrollment rates have increased 195% since 1970, when 3.5% of the U.S. population were college students. Source:

https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics#:~:text=College%20enrollment%20rates%20have%20increased,U.S.%20population%20were%20college%20students.


The decline in mobility, stagnation in wages, and increase in inequality is less straightforward, but well documented. Here's an article with graphs:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/aparnamathur/2018/07/16/the-u-s-does-poorly-on-yet-another-metric-of-economic-mobility/amp/


If you want to go down a fun rabbit hole, compare our economic mobility to countries that have expanded the trades vs university education, such as Germany.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m old enough to remember that Tucker Carlson had to ask a certain second son of the current President to get his kid into Georgetown.

And it's ironic his kid didn't get in. He went to UVA. My son's good friend lived in his dorm. The joke was that he would brag who his dad is in the first five minutes of making an acquaintance. A bunch of 18-year-old liberal kids were not impressed.

I just love 3rd-hand anecdotes. They’re so obviously made up.

There is nothing made up about Tucker “college is pointless” Carlson trying to get his son into Georgetown. Documented fact. There is nothing made up about all of his kids being stereotypical UVA Greek life rich kids. There is nothing made up about his own kids having the so-called fluff bachelor’s degrees and big city “jobs” he claims are soul crushing and a waste of life.

We’re talking about the silly made up story, above. Try and keep up.

I think he's been instructed to poison the well for student loan forgiveness. Demonizing college as a big party and as worthless makes any level of student loan forgiveness seem toxic, like a giveaway to the lazy and spoiled. The oligarchs want all 45 million student loan peasants to remain debt slaves trapped in poverty who need subprime loans and rent for the rest of their lives. Of course the rich mouthpieces for the oligarchs never have to worry about things like student loans for their own kids.