Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Go read the studies yourself. The kids get a bump for a few years and then it regresses back to the level of the control group. In some cases worse.
In the article below, Vox talks about two studies where the kids in pre-k ended up worse. Vox is by no means a right wing site, and in the article you can feel the author put a liberal spin on the results.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22904345/pre-k-cash-baby-brain-social-science
The evidence shows that high-quality PK, which DC has, does make a difference. It can't be just babysitting. And while it may not help test scores, it does have a long term effect on crime, jobs and economic success.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/05/18/997501946/the-case-for-universal-pre-k-just-got-stronger
Prenatal and 0-3 programs are needed in addition to preschool.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It can't be done. Proven time and time again. We should just give up on this idea and go to another plan.
When have we offered universal pre- k to all? Class sizes in public school as small as private school ( max 15). Universal Year round schooling and late opening hours to mitigate extra tutoring and enrichment by the middle class/rich?
The answer is never so we have never done what would work to actually level the playing field. What happens outside the classroom is at least equally if not more important. Kids need supervision to get homework done, intervention if behind, the ability to move at their own pace.
Universal pre-K does help poor so you could try it more. Year round schools and late opening seems to me to be smart for some percentage of the population.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Schools cannot overcome the parental advantage/ disadvantage faced by kids 18 hours a day outside of school. You cannot just throw $ at the problem.
You can but it has to be A LOT of $.
Like, classes of 10 with 2 teachers, extensive mental health services, extensive hands on learning, mentoring, nutrition services etc.
Effectively a boarding school without spending the night so that you can avoid calling it that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Schools cannot overcome the parental advantage/ disadvantage faced by kids 18 hours a day outside of school. You cannot just throw $ at the problem.
Yes you can, by extending the school day and having year round schooling. Rich parents send kids to bording school to provide structure including a range of diverse EC. Provide a public version of bording school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Schools cannot overcome the parental advantage/ disadvantage faced by kids 18 hours a day outside of school. You cannot just throw $ at the problem.
This!!!!!! When are they going to learn this???? You cannot lift these kids up by stealing from
Our kids who have two loving parents at home including one present to meet the bus, provide a healthy snack, talk about school and work together on homework, then run carpool to sports, home cooked dinner, and any other enrichment (piano practice, play some chess, make up funny rhymes to memorize history and math).
Agreed. The solution for schools is to improve social services, housing, health care availablity and narrow the income gap.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Go read the studies yourself. The kids get a bump for a few years and then it regresses back to the level of the control group. In some cases worse.
In the article below, Vox talks about two studies where the kids in pre-k ended up worse. Vox is by no means a right wing site, and in the article you can feel the author put a liberal spin on the results.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22904345/pre-k-cash-baby-brain-social-science
The evidence shows that high-quality PK, which DC has, does make a difference. It can't be just babysitting. And while it may not help test scores, it does have a long term effect on crime, jobs and economic success.
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2021/05/18/997501946/the-case-for-universal-pre-k-just-got-stronger
The new study follows the same children through sixth grade, adding three more years of data. The upshot? the results just keep getting worse. Reading, writing, and science scores in sixth grade were all lower among pre-K kids than other kids, and the gap has grown since third grade. The researchers also found that pre-K kids were likelier to skip school or get into disciplinary trouble as they got older.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Schools cannot overcome the parental advantage/ disadvantage faced by kids 18 hours a day outside of school. You cannot just throw $ at the problem.
This!!!!!! When are they going to learn this???? You cannot lift these kids up by stealing from
Our kids who have two loving parents at home including one present to meet the bus, provide a healthy snack, talk about school and work together on homework, then run carpool to sports, home cooked dinner, and any other enrichment (piano practice, play some chess, make up funny rhymes to memorize history and math).
Anonymous wrote:\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Go read the studies yourself. The kids get a bump for a few years and then it regresses back to the level of the control group. In some cases worse.
In the article below, Vox talks about two studies where the kids in pre-k ended up worse. Vox is by no means a right wing site, and in the article you can feel the author put a liberal spin on the results.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22904345/pre-k-cash-baby-brain-social-science
Here's an article talking about Head Start from Chalkbeat.org:
https://www.chalkbeat.org/2019/8/8/21108602/a-new-study-questions-whether-head-start-still-produces-long-run-gains-seen-in-past-research
That’s why a new study comes a surprise. When researchers used similar methods as Deming to look at students born later, mostly between 1986 and 1996, they found that Head Start provided no clear long-term benefits. If anything, the program led to somewhat worse outcomes.
The research offers some of the most up-to-date information about how Head Start affects students years later, and raises questions whether Head Start continues to deliver the positive outcomes it did in the past. In 2016-17, a third of U.S. 3- to 5-year-olds living in poverty were enrolled in the program.
“We’re using methods that have been accepted for a long time … and now we’ve got a bunch of negative results,” said Dylan Lukes, a Harvard graduate student and one of the authors.
Anonymous wrote:Schools cannot overcome the parental advantage/ disadvantage faced by kids 18 hours a day outside of school. You cannot just throw $ at the problem.
\Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Go read the studies yourself. The kids get a bump for a few years and then it regresses back to the level of the control group. In some cases worse.
In the article below, Vox talks about two studies where the kids in pre-k ended up worse. Vox is by no means a right wing site, and in the article you can feel the author put a liberal spin on the results.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22904345/pre-k-cash-baby-brain-social-science
That’s why a new study comes a surprise. When researchers used similar methods as Deming to look at students born later, mostly between 1986 and 1996, they found that Head Start provided no clear long-term benefits. If anything, the program led to somewhat worse outcomes.
The research offers some of the most up-to-date information about how Head Start affects students years later, and raises questions whether Head Start continues to deliver the positive outcomes it did in the past. In 2016-17, a third of U.S. 3- to 5-year-olds living in poverty were enrolled in the program.
“We’re using methods that have been accepted for a long time … and now we’ve got a bunch of negative results,” said Dylan Lukes, a Harvard graduate student and one of the authors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?
Go read the studies yourself. The kids get a bump for a few years and then it regresses back to the level of the control group. In some cases worse.
In the article below, Vox talks about two studies where the kids in pre-k ended up worse. Vox is by no means a right wing site, and in the article you can feel the author put a liberal spin on the results.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22904345/pre-k-cash-baby-brain-social-science
Anonymous wrote:It can't be done. Proven time and time again. We should just give up on this idea and go to another plan.
Anonymous wrote:So a poor kid of illiterate or non English speaking parents will have no benefit or even regress if they attend free high quality pre-k?
Bull ! People are so scared of their mediocre kid getting outperformed by poor POC kids aren’t they?