Anonymous
07/13/2022 23:35
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?
Where did you pull this disinfo from?
DP. And God Lord. I’m beginning to see how Trump got elected. The rubes really will believe anything. I don’t know the source PP used. Hillsdale reported to USNWR that for the Class of 2020, they met 60% of demonstrated need, not full need. 38% of grads had loans, with the average loan being over $33,000.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/hillsdale-college-2272/paying
An article in the Hillsdale student paper put the average loan amount at about $26k— but that was in 2017. I didn’t see a percent of students in the article.
https://hillsdalecollegian.com/2017/11/hillsdale-college-among-top-10-for-lowest-student-debt-the-school-ranked-sixth-for-schools-with-the-lowest-amount-of-debt-per-student-according-to-lendedu/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHillsdale%20College%20gives%20the%20average,year%20decrease%20of%205.92%20percent.%E2%80%9D
Hillsdale students take out loans. And they do so on much less favorable terms than colleges that use federal loans. Not because they use shady lenders, but because they are loans from a for profit institutions. The federal government doesn’t need to make a profit on student loans, and uses taxpayer money to subsidize low income students and give Pell grants. For profit lenders have to, you know, maximize profit. The is Common Sense Capitalism 101.
I know you feel like an idiot after the nasty snip about Dems loving student loan debt. But your facts were wrong. Move on and the next time you decide to make sweeping statements like every single student is debt free despite the high cost of college, spend three minutes on Google and verify. In fact, get on Google now and type in “Hillsdale College student loan debt”. You might learn something.
Not only is their % of BA students with debt very low (38% vs 63% nationally), median debt of $33K is low for a private BA. Median debt for all BAs is nearly $32K in 2022. And with Hillsdale's robust fundraising, I would bet both that % and median debt sum decline, while they both grow at all public universities. You have an axe to grind and there's no there there. Liberty, yes, it's a scam school. Hillsdale is an excellent college.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 21:59
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?
Where did you pull this disinfo from?
DP. And God Lord. I’m beginning to see how Trump got elected. The rubes really will believe anything. I don’t know the source PP used. Hillsdale reported to USNWR that for the Class of 2020, they met 60% of demonstrated need, not full need. 38% of grads had loans, with the average loan being over $33,000.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/hillsdale-college-2272/paying
An article in the Hillsdale student paper put the average loan amount at about $26k— but that was in 2017. I didn’t see a percent of students in the article.
https://hillsdalecollegian.com/2017/11/hillsdale-college-among-top-10-for-lowest-student-debt-the-school-ranked-sixth-for-schools-with-the-lowest-amount-of-debt-per-student-according-to-lendedu/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CHillsdale%20College%20gives%20the%20average,year%20decrease%20of%205.92%20percent.%E2%80%9D
Hillsdale students take out loans. And they do so on much less favorable terms than colleges that use federal loans. Not because they use shady lenders, but because they are loans from a for profit institutions. The federal government doesn’t need to make a profit on student loans, and uses taxpayer money to subsidize low income students and give Pell grants. For profit lenders have to, you know, maximize profit. The is Common Sense Capitalism 101.
I know you feel like an idiot after the nasty snip about Dems loving student loan debt. But your facts were wrong. Move on and the next time you decide to make sweeping statements like every single student is debt free despite the high cost of college, spend three minutes on Google and verify. In fact, get on Google now and type in “Hillsdale College student loan debt”. You might learn something.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 21:42
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?
Where did you pull this disinfo from?
https://www.mlive.com/news/2017/08/michigan_colleges_universities.html it was self reported by Hillsdale.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 21:27
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?
Where did you pull this disinfo from?
Anonymous
07/13/2022 20:00
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
omg. I can't tell if you are being deliberately obtuse or are really that lacking in reading comprehension. No one said Hillsdale alums are "soaked" with debt. Simply correcting the statement that "no kid graduate with debt." Because it is demonstrably false. Hillsdale does not have a "no loan" financial aid policy. Students there can (and do) take out loans- approximately half do with an average of about $26k in loans. Those students cannot get the FEDERAL loans with the best interest rates and protections due to Hillsdale's decision not to accept any federal or state funding. They have to get private loans. Do you understand now?
Anonymous
07/13/2022 18:35
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Criticizing the rigor of a major is a strong take from a university president with a history major. It's interesting that he used physics as a comparison and not his own field of study.
I know this is a tangent but I have to respond. History is NOT a blowoff major. I’m going to venture to guess you didn’t take many college history courses. There is a huge amount of content to cover, books and articles to read, and research papers to write.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 18:13
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Please cite a source that Hillsdale alums are soaked with debt with shady lenders. You can't because you are spreading disinfo like a deranged partisan nut.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 16:30
Subject: Re:SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
The Hillsdale defender is back. I though Pence’s crew would have left town by now.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 16:29
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Public school isn’t and wasn’t ever about educating people — it’s government day care so mommy can work and slam daddy’s wages. Now you have two parents working full time instead of one for a lower quality of life overall, and the children are idiots given fake grades when they can’t read, write or do math anywhere near their grade level. And the teachers make $100K in comp a year and then retire to Florida in their 50s with a fat pension. Or double-dip and get two pensions.
Pay attention moms, this PP is reviving the “should women work” question. When DeSantis gets into office (sadly likely), this idea may well move beyond rhetoric. Maybe not as corporate America will dissent, but the new right is very invested in stay at home moms without effective birth control.
The Hillsdale comment is seeking to devalue the work of URM and women.
I’m a high school history teacher with a masters. I’m very intelligent.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 16:17
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
This couldn’t be a bigger LIE. Hillsdale will not accept federal student loans, which are subsidized and/or have a reasonable interest rate. However, they are more than happy to make their students take out private loans with higher interest rates and origination fees. The $20,000 you need to borrow will cost you a heck of a lot more if you attend Hillsdale vs UVA.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/admissions-aid/financial-aid/need-based-aid/
And check out the Liberty thread. They go a different direction and are one of the largest recipients of federal student aid in the national— over 800 million dollars, mostly for online programs.
Because Republicans love debilitating college debt so much they actively work to make sure students take on more than of a debt burden than necessary— for substandard educations. Billionaires need an underclass.
What is your motive here, why are you spreading disinformation? Why are you trying to conflate Hillsdale with Liberty? They are nowhere near the same rung or education model. Hillsdale is very selective, has an 86% graduation rate, and its students are largely debt free. Liberty is an open admit scam school degree mill, with a 34% graduation rate and median debt $25,000.
NP here. PP did not conflate the two. Read her post. She made some excellent points to counter previous disinformation.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 15:49
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
This couldn’t be a bigger LIE. Hillsdale will not accept federal student loans, which are subsidized and/or have a reasonable interest rate. However, they are more than happy to make their students take out private loans with higher interest rates and origination fees. The $20,000 you need to borrow will cost you a heck of a lot more if you attend Hillsdale vs UVA.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/admissions-aid/financial-aid/need-based-aid/
And check out the Liberty thread. They go a different direction and are one of the largest recipients of federal student aid in the national— over 800 million dollars, mostly for online programs.
Because Republicans love debilitating college debt so much they actively work to make sure students take on more than of a debt burden than necessary— for substandard educations. Billionaires need an underclass.
What is your motive here, why are you spreading disinformation? Why are you trying to conflate Hillsdale with Liberty? They are nowhere near the same rung or education model. Hillsdale is very selective, has an 86% graduation rate, and its students are largely debt free. Liberty is an open admit scam school degree mill, with a 34% graduation rate and median debt $25,000.
the poster that is quoted at the top of the post to whom the pp is replying literally said "No kid [at Hillsdale] graduates with debt." That is demonstrably FALSE. pp is not spreading disinformation, she is correcting an incorrect statement.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 15:16
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
No federal debt. You can easily graduate with freedom loving private loans at higher interest rates with less borrower protections
Anonymous
07/13/2022 10:13
Subject: Re:SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Hillsdale is Liberty for good students who fancy themselves intellectuals but still have critical thinking clouded and guided by the Bible. They are similar in some important ways. Liberty grads end up working for Hillsdale grads, but it’s the same brand of pro-theocracy and “oppressed” Christian supremacy lunacy.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 09:34
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
This couldn’t be a bigger LIE. Hillsdale will not accept federal student loans, which are subsidized and/or have a reasonable interest rate. However, they are more than happy to make their students take out private loans with higher interest rates and origination fees. The $20,000 you need to borrow will cost you a heck of a lot more if you attend Hillsdale vs UVA.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/admissions-aid/financial-aid/need-based-aid/
And check out the Liberty thread. They go a different direction and are one of the largest recipients of federal student aid in the national— over 800 million dollars, mostly for online programs.
Because Republicans love debilitating college debt so much they actively work to make sure students take on more than of a debt burden than necessary— for substandard educations. Billionaires need an underclass.
What is your motive here, why are you spreading disinformation? Why are you trying to conflate Hillsdale with Liberty? They are nowhere near the same rung or education model. Hillsdale is very selective, has an 86% graduation rate, and its students are largely debt free. Liberty is an open admit scam school degree mill, with a 34% graduation rate and median debt $25,000.
Anonymous
07/13/2022 00:32
Subject: SCANDAL: Hillsdale College President says URM become teachers because they can’t hack anything else
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Hillsdale college?
Never heard of it.
Guess I need to Google.
It’s Conservative college Mecca.. Doesn’t accept federal funds so they don’t have to comply with federal standards.
No kid graduates with debt. Evil, huh?
Democrats love debilitating college debt.
This couldn’t be a bigger LIE. Hillsdale will not accept federal student loans, which are subsidized and/or have a reasonable interest rate. However, they are more than happy to make their students take out private loans with higher interest rates and origination fees. The $20,000 you need to borrow will cost you a heck of a lot more if you attend Hillsdale vs UVA.
https://www.hillsdale.edu/admissions-aid/financial-aid/need-based-aid/
And check out the Liberty thread. They go a different direction and are one of the largest recipients of federal student aid in the national— over 800 million dollars, mostly for online programs.
Because Republicans love debilitating college debt so much they actively work to make sure students take on more than of a debt burden than necessary— for substandard educations. Billionaires need an underclass.