Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:35
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
Hilariously UMD has as many football national championships as Michigan in the NCAA era. Only one less than Penn State. Maybe UMD is smart just to take the money and it’s alumni be distracted by more fruitful interests than packing in and watching non championship nonsense.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:27
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
UMD is positioned very well in a huge media market (UMD is inside the DC beltway) while being the only dominant entity in their territory. There are no VT for Iva, Nc state for Unc, no Michigan State for Michigan, No Purdue for Indiana, No Northwestern for Illinois … all split the market with 2 members plus grab research money that may have gone to the other institution. UMD was the most valuable school in the ACC but they didn’t realize it.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:21
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
The whole paradigm is rapidly shifting. The SEC and B1G are moving to a place where underperforming schools for football could get jettisoned from the conference. Schools like UMD and Rutgers with mediocre/poor football programs (other sports don’t matter) and weak branding shouldn’t just assume they’re going to reap in millions of dollars like Michigan and UCLA and continue offering a substandard product.
You don’t get it
UMD and Rutgers brought in the #1 and #4 media markets and increased every schools payout by a huge amount. They are the most valuable members and the first to be added by any conference. The B1G asked UMD to join and paid for travel expenses plus the ACC penalty for leaving. Unc and Uva are on their knees begging to join but would cut into every members 100 million cut because they don’t bring in that much.
The ones that first cut out would be Nebraska, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern. The most valuable members are UCLA, Illinois, Maryland and Rutgers.
I'm not PP. I sort of agree with you, in that you recognize the value of access to media markets. But, I think you undervalue having compelling content to put into those markets. One could create a conference of GW, DePaul, St. John's and nobody would care. I think Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, maybe MSU, Purdue are the most valuable members. But, I agree that UMD and Rutgers brought value. I wonder about schools that bring neither, like IU.
I think the point here is that the B1G and SEC are evolving in such a way that less valuable schools may be at risk.
I also think media markets contribute to a team's overall value, but the poster upthread goes way overboard by suggesting a team's value is solely tied to its media market. No way. Brand and name recognition are huge factors well. For example, Michigan and Ohio State blow Maryland and Rutgers out of the water when it comes to overall value.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:21
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
UMD and Rutgers are strategically in a great position because
1) they bring in massive media dollars
2) they are the dominant force in their territory.
There is no VT, NC State, Michigan State, Purdue cutting in on and having more alumni in their territory splitting the available dollars in half.
The whole paradigm is rapidly shifting. The SEC and B1G are moving to a place where underperforming schools for football could get jettisoned from the conference. Schools like UMD and Rutgers with mediocre/poor football programs (other sports don’t matter) and weak branding shouldn’t just assume they’re going to reap in millions of dollars like Michigan and UCLA and continue offering a substandard product.
You don’t get it
UMD and Rutgers brought in the #1 and #4 media markets and increased every schools payout by a huge amount. They are the most valuable members and the first to be added by any conference. The B1G asked UMD to join and paid for travel expenses plus the ACC penalty for leaving. Unc and Uva are on their knees begging to join but would cut into every members 100 million cut because they don’t bring in that much.
The ones that first cut out would be Nebraska, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern. The most valuable members are UCLA, Illinois, Maryland and Rutgers.
I'm not PP. I sort of agree with you, in that you recognize the value of access to media markets. But, I think you undervalue having compelling content to put into those markets. One could create a conference of GW, DePaul, St. John's and nobody would care. I think Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, maybe MSU, Purdue are the most valuable members. But, I agree that UMD and Rutgers brought value. I wonder about schools that bring neither, like IU.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:01
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These conference “realignments” are driven by a greed for money. Pure and simple. Since the greed is rooted exclusively in football and TV contracts, non-football sports are really getting screwed. Look at the B1G. It now spans from coast to coast, and we know that USC and UCLA aren’t the last additions. Teams are now going to have to travel thousands of miles each year for…baseball games, lacrosse games, swim meets, etc. There’s no value gained here.
I’d rather see football break away and keep more traditional conferences intact that make far more geographical sense for other sports.
And yet colleges couldn’t fund any of those non-revenue sports without that greed so like most things in life it’s a trade off.
NP. They did before. Why do schools all of a sudden need $50 million or a $100 million?
I agree with the PP. The athletes are the ones losing out at the end of the day. Football players (whether they're ultimately paid or not) are exploited even more. Basketball players are as well. All other sports programs have to put up with ridiculous schedules and travel. It's made even worse by the fact that only a small percentage of these athletes will ever play on a professional level.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 08:00
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
The whole paradigm is rapidly shifting. The SEC and B1G are moving to a place where underperforming schools for football could get jettisoned from the conference. Schools like UMD and Rutgers with mediocre/poor football programs (other sports don’t matter) and weak branding shouldn’t just assume they’re going to reap in millions of dollars like Michigan and UCLA and continue offering a substandard product.
You don’t get it
UMD and Rutgers brought in the #1 and #4 media markets and increased every schools payout by a huge amount. They are the most valuable members and the first to be added by any conference. The B1G asked UMD to join and paid for travel expenses plus the ACC penalty for leaving. Unc and Uva are on their knees begging to join but would cut into every members 100 million cut because they don’t bring in that much.
The ones that first cut out would be Nebraska, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern. The most valuable members are UCLA, Illinois, Maryland and Rutgers.
I'm not PP. I sort of agree with you, in that you recognize the value of access to media markets. But, I think you undervalue having compelling content to put into those markets. One could create a conference of GW, DePaul, St. John's and nobody would care. I think Michigan, OSU, Wisconsin, maybe MSU, Purdue are the most valuable members. But, I agree that UMD and Rutgers brought value. I wonder about schools that bring neither, like IU.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 07:29
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
UMD doesn’t care about football. It does care about increasing its 1.2 billion a year in research funding and getting 100 million for the AD and get more dominant in the preppy sports plus basketball.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 07:08
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
The whole paradigm is rapidly shifting. The SEC and B1G are moving to a place where underperforming schools for football could get jettisoned from the conference. Schools like UMD and Rutgers with mediocre/poor football programs (other sports don’t matter) and weak branding shouldn’t just assume they’re going to reap in millions of dollars like Michigan and UCLA and continue offering a substandard product.
You don’t get it
UMD and Rutgers brought in the #1 and #4 media markets and increased every schools payout by a huge amount. They are the most valuable members and the first to be added by any conference. The B1G asked UMD to join and paid for travel expenses plus the ACC penalty for leaving. Unc and Uva are on their knees begging to join but would cut into every members 100 million cut because they don’t bring in that much.
The ones that first cut out would be Nebraska, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern. The most valuable members are UCLA, Illinois, Maryland and Rutgers.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 06:59
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:These conference “realignments” are driven by a greed for money. Pure and simple. Since the greed is rooted exclusively in football and TV contracts, non-football sports are really getting screwed. Look at the B1G. It now spans from coast to coast, and we know that USC and UCLA aren’t the last additions. Teams are now going to have to travel thousands of miles each year for…baseball games, lacrosse games, swim meets, etc. There’s no value gained here.
I’d rather see football break away and keep more traditional conferences intact that make far more geographical sense for other sports.
And yet colleges couldn’t fund any of those non-revenue sports without that greed so like most things in life it’s a trade off.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 04:24
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
The whole paradigm is rapidly shifting. The SEC and B1G are moving to a place where underperforming schools for football could get jettisoned from the conference. Schools like UMD and Rutgers with mediocre/poor football programs (other sports don’t matter) and weak branding shouldn’t just assume they’re going to reap in millions of dollars like Michigan and UCLA and continue offering a substandard product.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 04:16
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
These conference “realignments” are driven by a greed for money. Pure and simple. Since the greed is rooted exclusively in football and TV contracts, non-football sports are really getting screwed. Look at the B1G. It now spans from coast to coast, and we know that USC and UCLA aren’t the last additions. Teams are now going to have to travel thousands of miles each year for…baseball games, lacrosse games, swim meets, etc. There’s no value gained here.
I’d rather see football break away and keep more traditional conferences intact that make far more geographical sense for other sports.
I’d rather see football break away and keep more traditional conferences intact that make far more geographical sense for other sports.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 04:01
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gravitational pull would seem to lead Clemson, Florida State, and Miami to the SEC, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah to the Big 12, and Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal to the Big 10. Notre Dame is the question mark.
Alternative to all this is for PAC 12 to form a quick alliance with the ACC.
Please for the love of all that is good in the world: keep Notre Dame out of the Big Ten!! We don’t want them.
Lol. Your royal “we” is BS. The B1G has an open invitation to ND.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 02:39
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Gravitational pull would seem to lead Clemson, Florida State, and Miami to the SEC, Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah to the Big 12, and Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and Cal to the Big 10. Notre Dame is the question mark.
Alternative to all this is for PAC 12 to form a quick alliance with the ACC.
Please for the love of all that is good in the world: keep Notre Dame out of the Big Ten!! We don’t want them.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 02:37
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:UMD football is bad. They can’t fill the stadium unless it’s filled with Penn State fans.
Or Michigan fans. We like that we get a Michigan game locally every other year, but it’s sort of pathetic that the stadium ends up being 90% Michigan fans. They even played Mr. Brightside for us this past season, after Michigan beat Maryland 59-18.
Honestly, though, everyone just laughs at Maryland and Rutgers. No one considers them real Big Ten schools. The core of the Big Ten are the midwestern schools.
When it comes to the CA schools, everyone is just waiting for those CA kids to have to play their first slate of Big Ten conference play, during midwestern winters. Good luck playing Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, OSU, Sparty, etc. in October and November, guys! Half those games will be away for them, and away will mean cold as all heck, and potentially a blizzard game or two thrown in there.
Anonymous
07/09/2022 02:01
Subject: How much money is UMD going to get from the B1G conference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If people are interested in this, you should follow Greg Flugaur on twitter. He has good sources in the Big10.
Two things matter to the big10 presidents, who ultimately decide who is allowed in. Money and research (meaning research money and the AAU). Who brings in the money? ND. Maybe UNC. Maybe UVA. Stanford?
They want money more than AAU - Notre Dame is not an AAU school and they no doubt want them more than any other school.
+1 no doubt, follow the money but the Big 10 more than any other conference values the academic quality of the member. Even Nebraska was AAI when it was admitted.
[/b]AAU is just research.[b] Notre Dame undergraduate is better than almost all of the Big 10 schools.
That's where the money is.