Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 11:49     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My friends who went to Catholic colleges in the 90s had limits on boys and girls mixing in the dorm or in each other’s dorm rooms enforced by dorm mother clergy. That was way different than in my private liberal arts school with zero limits.


That was 30+ years ago, for pete's sake. Not relevant today.


Notre Dame still has parietals. (No people in opposite-sex dorms after midnight weeknights and 2am weekends)
https://dulac.nd.edu/community-standards/standards/parietals/

I don't think that's a really big deal breaker for most people, but it is a reality.
(plenty of other places, including obviously off-campus apartments, to fraternize as you wish, and I loved that there was a semi-enforced quiet time in the dorms.)


Yes, I know. I was too tired and bored to post this earlier. Notre Dame is different (ask me how I know). Its Catholic character is more pervasive than Georgetown, Boston College and other top Catholic schools. They're Jesuit; ND isn't. Villanova is somewhere in the middle.


Agree with this. In addition to single sex dorms, they have a chapel in every single dorm and there is mass at least once a week. Many attend mass at other students' dorms and vice versa. Rarely do they attend mass at the Basilica (although it is beautiful and I always try to attend when I am on campus). My nephew's dorm had a fun tradition where they would serve milk shakes after mass every week...that was a very popular one.

The weekly masses at the dorms, the football players attending mass before every game, the basilica, touchdown Jesus, the grotto...all of these elements combined make for a strong sense of Catholic community. I don't think you will find anything similar.....it is lovely.


This is very different than the Jesuit schools I am familiar with. Definitely not a chapel in each dorm. Not sure if ANY dorm had a chapel at the ones I attended.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 11:04     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
If you are a conservative woman, you are taught not to report anything. I know from experience.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 11:03     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.


Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/


Imagine what is like for other schools


At ND …

Out of the students who had experienced non‐consensual sexual intercourse, 6% reported the assault to the University.

RAAIN stats…. For college students

Only 20% of female student victims, age 18-24, report to law enforcement.1

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence

Reporting is way lower at ND.



So according to the two sources,

18% of Notre Dame girls experienced non-consential sexual contact while the national average is 26.4%.
(Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation)

So Notre Dame is way lower than the national average.
18% vs 26.4%



Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 11:01     Subject: Re:How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In 2019

Notre Dame had 5 rape cases
Brown 23
Harvard 26
Standford 37
Yale 24
Cornell 17
Dartmouth 33
Vanderbilt 26

Whatever the reason I feel safer for my daughter at Notre Dame.
Single sex dorm sounds tiny downside if at all a downside


Not saying at all this is the case with ND--I have no idea, but I worry when I see colleges with low numbers about whether they are encouraging students to really understand consent to recognize what is rape and creating a culture where students are really supported in reporting rape. Lower reported numbers often really don't mean lower number of cases. Look and ask about the policies, reported cases and dig deeper about how they know they are accurately reporting numbers-- and then if your kid has contact with other students (e.g., an overnight visit) encourage for more student-level knowledge on this. If a school doesn't have 'gray area cases' (e.g. misunderstood consent, impaired consent etc.) in its rape investigations it's likely not encouraging reporting.


yea they know what's rape or not
it's not like they are elementary schoolers lol


You clearly do not know anything about rape and the level of underreporting by college students. Colleges have to work hard to get the number of reported cases to reflect anywhere near the number of actual cases.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 10:50     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.


Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/


Imagine what is like for other schools


At ND …

Out of the students who had experienced non‐consensual sexual intercourse, 6% reported the assault to the University.

RAAIN stats…. For college students

Only 20% of female student victims, age 18-24, report to law enforcement.1

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence

Reporting is way lower at ND.

Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:35     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:We are agnostic. DC is interested in some catholic universities (ex. Villanova). How religious are these schools and can you fit in if you weren’t raised catholic or in any religion?



They might even give your child a leg up in the new theocracy the GOP replacing democracy with.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:22     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.


Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/


Imagine what is like for other schools
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:18     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.


Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:13     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:01     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My friends who went to Catholic colleges in the 90s had limits on boys and girls mixing in the dorm or in each other’s dorm rooms enforced by dorm mother clergy. That was way different than in my private liberal arts school with zero limits.


That was 30+ years ago, for pete's sake. Not relevant today.


Notre Dame still has parietals. (No people in opposite-sex dorms after midnight weeknights and 2am weekends)
https://dulac.nd.edu/community-standards/standards/parietals/

I don't think that's a really big deal breaker for most people, but it is a reality.
(plenty of other places, including obviously off-campus apartments, to fraternize as you wish, and I loved that there was a semi-enforced quiet time in the dorms.)


Yes, I know. I was too tired and bored to post this earlier. Notre Dame is different (ask me how I know). Its Catholic character is more pervasive than Georgetown, Boston College and other top Catholic schools. They're Jesuit; ND isn't. Villanova is somewhere in the middle.


Agree with this. In addition to single sex dorms, they have a chapel in every single dorm and there is mass at least once a week. Many attend mass at other students' dorms and vice versa. Rarely do they attend mass at the Basilica (although it is beautiful and I always try to attend when I am on campus). My nephew's dorm had a fun tradition where they would serve milk shakes after mass every week...that was a very popular one.

The weekly masses at the dorms, the football players attending mass before every game, the basilica, touchdown Jesus, the grotto...all of these elements combined make for a strong sense of Catholic community. I don't think you will find anything similar.....it is lovely.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 09:00     Subject: Re:How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In 2019

Notre Dame had 5 rape cases
Brown 23
Harvard 26
Standford 37
Yale 24
Cornell 17
Dartmouth 33
Vanderbilt 26

Whatever the reason I feel safer for my daughter at Notre Dame.
Single sex dorm sounds tiny downside if at all a downside


Not saying at all this is the case with ND--I have no idea, but I worry when I see colleges with low numbers about whether they are encouraging students to really understand consent to recognize what is rape and creating a culture where students are really supported in reporting rape. Lower reported numbers often really don't mean lower number of cases. Look and ask about the policies, reported cases and dig deeper about how they know they are accurately reporting numbers-- and then if your kid has contact with other students (e.g., an overnight visit) encourage for more student-level knowledge on this. If a school doesn't have 'gray area cases' (e.g. misunderstood consent, impaired consent etc.) in its rape investigations it's likely not encouraging reporting.


yea they know what's rape or not
it's not like they are elementary schoolers lol
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 08:55     Subject: Re:How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In 2019

Notre Dame had 5 rape cases
Brown 23
Harvard 26
Standford 37
Yale 24
Cornell 17
Dartmouth 33
Vanderbilt 26

Whatever the reason I feel safer for my daughter at Notre Dame.
Single sex dorm sounds tiny downside if at all a downside


Not saying at all this is the case with ND--I have no idea, but I worry when I see colleges with low numbers about whether they are encouraging students to really understand consent to recognize what is rape and creating a culture where students are really supported in reporting rape. Lower reported numbers often really don't mean lower number of cases. Look and ask about the policies, reported cases and dig deeper about how they know they are accurately reporting numbers-- and then if your kid has contact with other students (e.g., an overnight visit) encourage for more student-level knowledge on this. If a school doesn't have 'gray area cases' (e.g. misunderstood consent, impaired consent etc.) in its rape investigations it's likely not encouraging reporting.


LOL, nice try. I also have a DD at ND and grateful for the single sex dorms.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 08:53     Subject: How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.


No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?



Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.


No I don’t know the point. You said if there are coed dorms in Catholic colleges women will be raped.


not pp but bi you have reaading compreshension issue


She said people at Catholic colleges are weird to want coed dorms because girls will be raped.

If she did not say that what did she say.


NP

I read it as having single sex dorms decreases the likelihood of rape in the dorms. And the parietals at ND takes that a step further.

I like the idea of single sex and parietals, not considering the issue of sex, but knowing that it will decrease distractions during a time when frontal lobe is not yet fully developed.


You just said that coed form with Catholic dudes increase rape.


PP here. Nothing talking about Catholic colleges per se. This would apply to any college, Catholic, Jewish, secular, LAC, large university, etc. Catholic doesn't come into play here.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 08:32     Subject: Re:How religious are catholic universities?
Anonymous wrote:In 2019

Notre Dame had 5 rape cases
Brown 23
Harvard 26
Standford 37
Yale 24
Cornell 17
Dartmouth 33
Vanderbilt 26

Whatever the reason I feel safer for my daughter at Notre Dame.
Single sex dorm sounds tiny downside if at all a downside


Not saying at all this is the case with ND--I have no idea, but I worry when I see colleges with low numbers about whether they are encouraging students to really understand consent to recognize what is rape and creating a culture where students are really supported in reporting rape. Lower reported numbers often really don't mean lower number of cases. Look and ask about the policies, reported cases and dig deeper about how they know they are accurately reporting numbers-- and then if your kid has contact with other students (e.g., an overnight visit) encourage for more student-level knowledge on this. If a school doesn't have 'gray area cases' (e.g. misunderstood consent, impaired consent etc.) in its rape investigations it's likely not encouraging reporting.
Anonymous
Post 07/08/2022 08:15     Subject: Re:How religious are catholic universities?
In 2019

Notre Dame had 5 rape cases
Brown 23
Harvard 26
Standford 37
Yale 24
Cornell 17
Dartmouth 33
Vanderbilt 26

Whatever the reason I feel safer for my daughter at Notre Dame.
Single sex dorm sounds tiny downside if at all a downside