Anonymous
07/08/2022 15:50
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.
People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.
Sorry, I don't buy that people who smoke, drink, and speed despite the known risks were "hesitant" because of their diligent assessment of the pros and cons of the EUA process and the attendant marginal risks of getting vaccinated.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 15:44
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.
People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.
The vaccines were approved by the CDC and are perfectly safe. Stop beating this dead horse.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 15:42
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.
Lordy. An excuse!
Anonymous
07/08/2022 15:37
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.
People who are hesitant to vaccinate themselves or their child with a vaccine that is still under EUA and wanted to wait, are not the same as people who wouldn't take a vaccine at all, who thought it made them magnetic, was population control, was killing people, that COVID was a hoax. Labeling all vaccine hesitancy as political is just not helping anyone, nor is it true.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 14:47
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
That's not why it was controversial. That's an excuse some people gave. But they don't know anything about the other vaccines they take, don't know anything about the food they ingest, scarf down all manner of food and drugs that are bad for them, and didn't get the vaccine when it was well proven and received by millions upon millions of people without incident. So, it's clear that the "not sufficiently tested" explanation for reluctance was a pretext. For a variety of reasons, COVID mitigation efforts of all kinds became tribal and political. The vaccine became controversial because Trump supporters were opposed to COVID mitigation measures generally.
Anonymous
07/08/2022 14:39
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most people last about 5 years in Fla before they realize what they gave up in the north. Then if they are young and not on probation, they move. If they are old they are stuck until they die. Neither is economically reliable. Then Florida falls into a slump until the next boom of suckers trying to relive their childhood dreams.
-Florida native
I have heard similar about people who move down there when they first retire but this is different now. I know a lot of families who have moved to Florida in the past decade. This was long before retirement and all before covid. All are happy and none are leaving. They say it’s a great place to raise their families, contrary to what you read about the schools here. I admit, I’m jealous of their lives every time I visit.
Summers are unbearable. And with global warming (a term DeSantis tut tuts), why move to a place where the heat is going to get even worse?
I dont find the summers in the south subtaintially worse than DC's. I figure if global warming becomes a factor, we will just move again.
Moved from DC to south florida. I grew up here, So I may have different perspective, but there was nothing pleasant about DC summer. If I'm going to be uncomfortably hot, I'd rather be an 8 minute drive from the beach.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 20:32
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unethical?
Would you want to be a teacher exposed to infected kids for 8 hours a day? THAT is unethical.
The latest science indicates vaccination has a very short lived effect on infection risk reduction, and I personally had no issue with masking which is really the better way to reduce infection (though again, not particularly with poor quality masking in kids, but high quality N95 style masking is effective and a concerned teacher absolutely should do that).
Ethically, there was strong concern about myocarditis in young boys and young men from both the CDC and FDA and a lot of back and forth about this particular concern prior to issuing EUA. Before you make any assumptions, I don't get my info from Foxnews or any news, I get my info from actually following the conversation and slides presented in the FDA and ACIP meetings and looking at the published research on myocarditis after vaccination. I was comfortable enough to vaccinate my child but decided to spread out his 1st and 2nd doses (based on guidance the CDC was too slow to adapt when there was great data supporting this as a risk mitigation method from Canada).
Bottom line, it's quite understandable that parents were hesitant to vaccinate kids, mandating before EUA was inappropriate, and also would contribute to inequity given some of the most distrustful populations are disadvantaged and at risk of even more learning loss if kicked out of schools.
There were a lot of democrats touting "follow the science" when they weren't actually reading the latest science.
*yawn*
Myocarditis hospitalizations and deaths were a smidge of a fraction of the kids ending up in ICU or dying due to COVID. I can't believe you clowns are still beating the myocarditis drum.
Recent data provided by the CDC suggests that among 100,000 vaccinated adolescent males, only about four to seven would be expected to develop post-vaccine myocarditis. If this group was not vaccinated, however, more than 5,500 would be likely to become infected with COVID-19 over a period of three months, with infections resulting in 50 hospitalizations, potential MIS-C, myocarditis and possible death. Recent surges in infections would only increase these risks in unvaccinated individuals.
Source: https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-19-get-facts
So for every 100K vaccinated kids, maybe 5.5 would get post-vaccine myocardits vs. 50 unvaccinated kids hospitalized by COVID.
Gee, which is the bigger risk?
That's not the point - I agree it's worth the risk to vaccinate, that's why my kid got vaccinated and later boosted. But it absolutely was a difficult call for many parents to make to vaccinate right away that early, with much of the back and forth about myocarditis by even the top epidemiologists, prior to FDA full approval, with top experts in other countries coming to different conclusions for recommending vaccination for pediatric age groups. Also, if we're talking about wanting to vaccinate to reduce infection risk, that's a really short lived effect.
The point is the ethics of mandating vaccination prior to full FDA approval in pediatric patients. Sorry, not ethical to me, even though I was ok to make that choice for my own child. After full FDA approval, go on and go forth. Especially with socioeconomically disadvantaged children in families that are already vaccine hesitant, already suffering pandemic related learning loss and more, being required to do so to attend in person school. That, to me, was too far (not done in DC but in other school districts such as LA)
This is exactly the way I feel.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 20:31
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
Dear stupid cherry-picker: children have been required to have quite a number of vaccinations in order to attend public school for a long time now.
Take your weirdo MAGA nonsense elsewhere.
Which of those vaccinations were mandated when they were EUA? Name one.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 19:32
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
Freedom???? Where have you been the past couple of weeks? There’s no freedom for any female capable of bearing children anymore in those states.
I’m pro-choice. Choosing to have or not have an abortion is something that may or may not affect me a few times in my (or my daughters’ lifetime).
What the Democrats did outweighed that by a million times. The Democrats took away my kids schools. The Democrats used the pandemic to take away so many of our freedoms. The Democrats took away people’s right to work with their bogus vaccine mandates. They Democrats (NYC) took away kid’s rights to do pretty much anything with an unethical vaccine mandate for kids age 5+. The Democrats pushed for travel restrictions and mask mandates.
Yes, that matter more to me because it affected every single individual in my family.
You are a joke if you think it's the Dems who will take away your freedoms. Honestly, with you for a parent, your kids have no chance. Vaccines (already mandated for schools for years so why is this bothering you now?) and mask mandates (and where are these mandates now? hmmm?) are what worry you? My Lord, save us from this idiot.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 18:50
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
... aside from Texas and Florida there really isn't much to recover.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 16:41
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Nationally, teachers have complained about the lack of parental support, covid and their students not only being academically behind but also suffering from mental health issues, and in many states being micromanaged by state and local legislatures who know nothing about teachers is leading to the resignations.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 16:37
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Blue states had more to “recover”. When a hurricane hits a mansion and a shack, the shack can be fixed quicker.
+1. And “recovered” in Mississippi looks like a starting place to recovery for most blue states.
Not even. MS is so far behind in every category it's embarrassing. Blue states produce so much more than red states that it isn't a contest.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:50
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:And those without jobs are getting federal benefits paid for by....blue states.
^
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:45
Subject: Re:Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We knew this over a year ago.
Between the Covid restrictions and the ridiculous remote "learning," many people have decided they prefer the freedom red states have to offer.
That is why Covid policy is a big deal when voting. If you liked the blue states' policies, vote for them. I'll stick with the route the red states took.
I love the freedom that Texas gives women over their own bodies.
Versus the blue cities, like Los Angeles and NYC, who unethically pushed Covid vaccines on 12 year olds to attend public school.
No freedom for our families and our kids, I guess.
No one ever had to be vaccinated to attend school before, right? What a bunch of delusional dopes.
This is what is so bizarre to me. Even in college in the '90s I had to prove that I had basic vaccinations or a religious exemption. I had to provide vaccination records for my children's school and their daycares from the time that they started so at about 6 months. Never has it been so controversial until Trump told people to start drinking bleach.
It was controversial because the vaccine didnt go through the normal FDA process that assures safety. Im fully vaccinated, but it's not unreasonable for people to be wary of new vaccine with less stringent controls. Very frankly, I was glad I had no risk factors and had to wait at the back of the line.
Anonymous
07/07/2022 14:45
Subject: Red states recover faster than blue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Guess it's good all these folks hate vaccines and love home schooling, because there aren't going to be enough teachers to teach.
Guess risking their lives for peanuts for ungrateful parents didn't seem like such a good plan.
What’s the story in the DMV? High vaccination rates and run by Democrats.
According to this, 581 unfilled positions and 973 teachers leaving. In ONE school district.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1065574.page;jsessionid=3323C5FFB26D043D22C42F56D8BCD837.dcum1
Nothing to do with vaccines. The teachers I have talked to were burnt out from online learning and the students fell behind. They wanted to be in-classroom. These were middle age and younger though, not sure if older teachers felt the same.
My student's elementary school teachers absolutely hated online teaching as did my family members who teach highschool. Mid pandemic, my family members who are teachers were not expecting kids to be mandated vaccination, nor really caring about it. Their frustration was that they wanted to be provided with medical grade masks vs find PPE on their own, given basic classroom cleaning supplies rather than have to pay (though we now know that surface transmission isn't much of a thing, we didn't know that then), head spinning, constantly changing guidance, and then that they weren't prioritized to be able receive vaccinations early in their school districts back then. Also frustration with school facilities, districts not figuring out spaces for kids to eat or appropriately space, things like that.