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Anonymous wrote:As far as 'usefulness' is concerned, the society and industries know the best, and they would pay more for the more useful major.  
If business major is useless at school A, humanities major would be much more useless.That's just a fact from the data by the Department of Education.
I thought this was common sense, but apparently a lot of people are clueless.No wonder about the national student debt crisis and responsible taxpayers are penalized for these ignorant people.  

Ugh if you are an example of a vaunted STEM grad, I’ll pass. I was a humanities major at a liberal arts college and not even in executive leadership but make well into the six figures. So you’re saying that’s useless degree? Are you saying that because I did not major in something that gave me specific job related skills then you are also wrong because though I did not “study” my field, I learned skills and gained competencies that made me a valuable candidate and employee while studying for my humanities degree.

No this was nothing to do with STEM.
OP is considering Marketing(business) and journalism.
This was in response to below post which is totally wrong.
I corrected the totally wrong information for people.

Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.

Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as 'usefulness' is concerned, the society and industries know the best, and they would pay more for the more useful major.  
If business major is useless at school A, humanities major would be much more useless.That's just a fact from the data by the Department of Education.
I thought this was common sense, but apparently a lot of people are clueless.No wonder about the national student debt crisis and responsible taxpayers are penalized for these ignorant people.  

Ugh if you are an example of a vaunted STEM grad, I’ll pass. I was a humanities major at a liberal arts college and not even in executive leadership but make well into the six figures. So you’re saying that’s useless degree? Are you saying that because I did not major in something that gave me specific job related skills then you are also wrong because though I did not “study” my field, I learned skills and gained competencies that made me a valuable candidate and employee while studying for my humanities degree.

Not the previous poster.

All degrees are important. We need LA majors and people in all fields. College is about the critical thinking skills and intensive writing being developed. The best way to do that is to study something you love! All I say is that know what options are immediately coming out of college for your major, and choose how much you borrow accordingly. And if you want to be a history major, that is awesome, but know that you might have to work just a tad bit more than a nursing major or engineering major or accounting major to find a job. So take whatever internships you can find and forge your way ahead. You might have to market yourself a bit more as there are not as many jobs that say "we need to hire a history major". What there are are jobs that say "we want to hire someone with a bachelors degree and we want you to have good writing and critical thinking skills", then it's up to you to demonstrate that. Plenty of people with LA degrees go far in life and earn great money. But it is a bit "easier" for an engineering or accountant to find a job and earn good money straight out of college.

So if you want to major in communications, then find a correlated double major or minor to add on that you enjoy that will help you develop skills for the business world/help you get internships to forge the path you want to take. Because a communications major who also majored/minored in business does have a leg up on just a comm major.
But know that your initial jobs out of college might not pay 85-100K (like engineering/CS/finance might), yes some do, but alot dont, so plan how much debt you will be able to pay back accordingly. An engineer with $100K of debt while not the best choice is a still not that bad given the expected starting salary. A social worker or history major or education major with $100K+ of debt could be facing a very rough first 10 years until they achieve a higher salary, given that fact that teachers and social workers do not typically make great salaries. So don't burden yourself with debt that isn't commensurate with your first 2-5 year anticipated salary.

Consider one of the trade schools. Graduate with very little to no debt and find themselves in a six figure job instantly.

Anonymous wrote:As far as 'usefulness' is concerned, the society and industries know the best, and they would pay more for the more useful major.  
If business major is useless at school A, humanities major would be much more useless.That's just a fact from the data by the Department of Education.
I thought this was common sense, but apparently a lot of people are clueless.No wonder about the national student debt crisis and responsible taxpayers are penalized for these ignorant people.  

Ugh if you are an example of a vaunted STEM grad, I’ll pass. I was a humanities major at a liberal arts college and not even in executive leadership but make well into the six figures. So you’re saying that’s useless degree? Are you saying that because I did not major in something that gave me specific job related skills then you are also wrong because though I did not “study” my field, I learned skills and gained competencies that made me a valuable candidate and employee while studying for my humanities degree.

Well, he changed his spacing and format. I mean this with genuine kindness: your anger and fixation are unusual and I encourage you to find help.

As far as 'usefulness' is concerned, the society and industries know the best, and they would pay more for the more useful major.  
If business major is useless at school A, humanities major would be much more useless.That's just a fact from the data by the Department of Education.
I thought this was common sense, but apparently a lot of people are clueless.No wonder about the national student debt crisis and responsible taxpayers are penalized for these ignorant people.  

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

Lol business is a useless major, I think that poster is drunk.
What degree does she think accountants get. Omg!

Do you know how college majors work? Accounting is in the School of Business, but it not a bachelor’s degree in Business Administration. I know forums make nuance hard, but that was a leap.

Yes Bachelors in Business is what the degree says.

Woosh.

Lol trying to walk back the fact you said business degree is useless. Go back to your vodka.

NP. Lol someone sure is leaning hard on the “drunk” thing ever since that earlier poster called you out

I usually don’t engage trolls but I feel like you are so lonely maybe this is all you have in life.

JIC https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

Insults generally need to be coherent and directed at the right person for them to land well. Better luck next time?

accounting at even a state school. Cant find a good CPA anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

Lol business is a useless major, I think that poster is drunk.
What degree does she think accountants get. Omg!

Do you know how college majors work? Accounting is in the School of Business, but it not a bachelor’s degree in Business Administration. I know forums make nuance hard, but that was a leap.

Yes Bachelors in Business is what the degree says.

Woosh.

Lol trying to walk back the fact you said business degree is useless. Go back to your vodka.

NP. Lol someone sure is leaning hard on the “drunk” thing ever since that earlier poster called you out

I usually don’t engage trolls but I feel like you are so lonely maybe this is all you have in life.

JIC https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

Lol business is a useless major, I think that poster is drunk.
What degree does she think accountants get. Omg!

Do you know how college majors work? Accounting is in the School of Business, but it not a bachelor’s degree in Business Administration. I know forums make nuance hard, but that was a leap.

Yes Bachelors in Business is what the degree says.

Woosh.

Lol trying to walk back the fact you said business degree is useless. Go back to your vodka.

NP. Lol someone sure is leaning hard on the “drunk” thing ever since that earlier poster called you out

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Anonymous wrote:Hi! I know I could get this advice from just the internet but I wanted to see if any of you had any advice suggestions on it. My daughter is interested in possibly marketing and journalism. She thinks marketing is a safer way to go but thinks journalism would be much cooler. What even are jobs in journalism that you can do that allow you to travel and learn and make a difference? Or in marketing? She is looking into what she might want to do in her future and just looking for suggestion. She is outgoing, kind, friendly.

At most schools, marketing is going to be in the college of business and journalism will be in the communications school. Journalism is a pretty narrow focus, and most communications programs are expanding into digital media, public relations, broadcasting, sports management, etc. The focus is really going to depend on the programs offered at each school. I think a double major or hybrid program across the business school and comm school sounds like a great opportunity. Throw a minor in computer science in there and you'll have a winner!

DP, not the one you're responding to. The bold above, and another PP's earlier comment about "I advise students to get a STEM minor" are simplistic.

I suspect a lot of parents on this board, yes, including parents who will insist, "But I hire people and know what I'm talking about," have no real idea of what it takes to get a formal minor in certain subjects at many colleges and universities today. It's not as simple as, "I'll just tack a computer science minor onto my marketing major" or "I'll do some kind of STEM minor with my communications major."

Those are fields where colleges often have very specific sequences of courses for majors AND for minors, and getting minors in STEM or comp sci or many other fields can be challenging--or even impossible, if the student ends up shut out of some courses due to majors getting priority. And if the student doesn't have any real interest in a STEM or comp sci field, the student is burning a lot of classes and credits doing a minor in something he or she may never want to use professionally anyway.

Just going around here telling parents that their kid should simply add a minor, as if that's a simple thing to do, shows a lack of understanding of college right now. My own DC is doing a major plus two minors but that is only becuause DC's college's open curriculum means there are almost no required general education classes, so students can specialize in subjects much earlier. In most universities, that's not necessarily the case. DC has friends at several large universities who have found they can't just "add a STEM minor" because they didn't start the sequence of classes soon enough, or they can't get a seat in the one or two higher-level courses they need, due to demand from majors who need the class.

Well at both colleges my kids attended/are attending, getting a minor in another subject was not hard and getting into the courses was not either. However, my kids are at schools with less than 8K students and places where you can easily change majors, as long as you have certain prerequisites---like you need first calc class to get into business if you were not admitted directly, but it's easy to register take the course and then officially switch. My other kid is at an open curriculum school where many double major (in LA) and most everyone does 1-2 minors due to the open curriculum.

Getting a formal minor requires planning to get on the right path. But it can be done. Even without a minor, having 2-3 courses in the minor you are interested in goes a long way to a career path, even if you don't get the minor (ie having 2-3 comp sci courses or data analytics or Econ and finance help market you).

But if you are at a large state university where even kids who are majoring in CS or Business struggle to find the courses they want, your kid might struggle to get into a minor as well. That is just one of the reasons my kids focused on smaller schools in their applicantions. However, that is not the case at many many smaller schools, especially ones where kids can essentially major in anything they want.

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

She's still wrong.
She spent her time just in higher education, not in actual industries hiring.

Dude bro you’re embarrassing yourself.

Can you count numbers?

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/search/?page=0&sort=threshold_earnings:desc&toggle=institutions

WTF is wrong with these people

This poor lonely loser.

You can't come back with fact and logic

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

She's still wrong.
She spent her time just in higher education, not in actual industries hiring.

Dude bro you’re embarrassing yourself.

Can you count numbers?

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/search/?page=0&sort=threshold_earnings:desc&toggle=institutions

WTF is wrong with these people

This poor lonely loser.

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

She's still wrong.
She spent her time just in higher education, not in actual industries hiring.

Dude bro you’re embarrassing yourself.

Can you count numbers?

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/search/?page=0&sort=threshold_earnings:desc&toggle=institutions

WTF is wrong with these people

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Anonymous wrote:With just a few exceptions, an undergraduate degree in business is not valued. Major in English or Philosophy then get an MBA. Employers want people who can think and write. Minor in marketing if that interests her.

Our country desperately needs professional, real journalists. It’s hard to make it but critical to a healthy country. It’s important work but I can’t imagine how maddening it is to compete for clicks with all the trash bloggers pretending to be journalists.


Kids change their majors all the time. Let her explore and figure it out on her own.

You are wrong. MBA is someting you would consider much later after you had a real career.
Business progams are harder to get in, and they get recruited first.
(for universities with undergraduate business programs, ie UPENN UVA Cornell Notre Dame MIT Georgetown, etc.)

School prestige matters more than STEM field for business.
However you would really need school prestige for majors like English Philosophy.

According to my honors college director sister, you are wrong. I trust her more than you.

So you trust info form one source.
I trust myself from various sources altogether.
You are wrong.

One source who is a Fulbright Scholar and spent 30 years in higher education over rando internet guy. Yes, I do.

Lol business is a useless major, I think that poster is drunk.
What degree does she think accountants get. Omg!

Do you know how college majors work? Accounting is in the School of Business, but it not a bachelor’s degree in Business Administration. I know forums make nuance hard, but that was a leap.

Yes Bachelors in Business is what the degree says.

Woosh.

Lol trying to walk back the fact you said business degree is useless. Go back to your vodka.