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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price.

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS).

If you need aid, CMU will award it. Not going to get anything from a highly-ranked public as an OOS.

What is considered highly ranked is Georgia Tech highly ranked?

Georgia Tech is ranked #5 in Computer Science. Is being #5 highly ranked in your dictionary?

Yes, but that’s one program. How is it’s classics program? That’s why it’s not a highly ranked overall.

Georgia Tech doesn't even have a Classics Department and offers no classes in Greek or Latin. That doesn't make it a weaker choice, unless that matters to you. Just like Dartmouth not having a major in business doesn't make it a weaker choice for those who don't care about that.

What if your kid goes in for CS and then changes their mind? Lots of kids do that. I went in for Economics and ended up switching to Chemistry. Never imagined I would do that in HS.

So Dartmouth is no good because it doesn't offer the business degree that Georgia Tech does?

Overall, Dartmouth provides a much better education and admits higher quality students than GTech. That doesn’t mean GTech isn’t good for a CS degree and getting a high-paying CS job after college. But for those in the market for prestigious educational credentials, Dartmouth beats GTech.

Honestly, this is the first time I am hearing this i.e "provides a much better education and admits higher quality students than GTech" about Dartmouth. I haven't heard anyone applying to Dartmouth for any major in NoVA region.

Dartmouth is a significant notch above GT. Just look at the stats of admitted students. And the undergraduate experience at Dartmouth is unparalleled with the possible exception of Princeton.

My God. The WashU, Vandy, and Emory boosters on here are positively thirsty in this thread. Pipe down, y’all.

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Anonymous wrote:Bullish on Cornell (I know, get your jokes in)

Bearish on vandy, rice, Emory
Duke will fall but stay in t20

Cornell, jhu will rise

Bullish on Cornell

Cornell's ranking has been falling for years.

Cornell will be desired more as climate change keeps happening and fake t20 schools outside the northeast lose competitiveness

Cornell's barely an ivy. I was reading an abc news article about ivy endowments and they left Cornell completely out. The article said that there was only 7 ivys... How embarrassing. The fact that the southern elite and WashU can match the so called Ivy says all that needs to be said.

Lmao. WashU boosters and being desperate. Name a more iconic duo.

Not a WashU booster, I named it because it's not in the south. But WashU, Emory, Rice, Vandy will all pass Cornell eventually. They have so much more going for them. Vandy already passed them tbh.

This is not even remotely true, and this is coming from someone who has no relation to Cornell.

Cornell's continual decline proves my point. Not sure what proves yours.

In what ways has Cornell “continually declined”?

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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price.

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS).

If you need aid, CMU will award it. Not going to get anything from a highly-ranked public as an OOS.

What is considered highly ranked is Georgia Tech highly ranked?

Georgia Tech is ranked #5 in Computer Science. Is being #5 highly ranked in your dictionary?

Yes, but that’s one program. How is it’s classics program? That’s why it’s not a highly ranked overall.

Georgia Tech doesn't even have a Classics Department and offers no classes in Greek or Latin. That doesn't make it a weaker choice, unless that matters to you. Just like Dartmouth not having a major in business doesn't make it a weaker choice for those who don't care about that.

What if your kid goes in for CS and then changes their mind? Lots of kids do that. I went in for Economics and ended up switching to Chemistry. Never imagined I would do that in HS.

So Dartmouth is no good because it doesn't offer the business degree that Georgia Tech does?

Overall, Dartmouth provides a much better education and admits higher quality students than GTech. That doesn’t mean GTech isn’t good for a CS degree and getting a high-paying CS job after college. But for those in the market for prestigious educational credentials, Dartmouth beats GTech.

Honestly, this is the first time I am hearing this i.e "provides a much better education and admits higher quality students than GTech" about Dartmouth. I haven't heard anyone applying to Dartmouth for any major in NoVA region.

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Anonymous wrote:The gleeful posters predicting the demise of Vandy have clearly never spent a few days in deep blue Nashville.

Agree. I don’t understand the Vandy bashing. Have all these posters actually experienced Vanderbilt and/or Nashville, especially in the last decade? There appears to be a contingent who believe that quality education occurs only in the NE. That sounds a tad closed-minded, obnoxious, and parochial.

Vanderbilt provides an excellent education, but if the citizens of Tennessee elect representatives who insist on laws that limit the rights of women, LGBTQ community members, non-whites, etc., it's going to be perceived by many as a less desirable place to get an education and will lose strong applicants because of this.

Although I agree somewhat. But schools in large northern cities need to control crime and cost of living, if they want to keep there students as well. And when it comes to climate change you guys never mention the west coast schools, all the fires are over there. You guys just like to pick on the south.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price.

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS).

If you need aid, CMU will award it. Not going to get anything from a highly-ranked public as an OOS.

What is considered highly ranked is Georgia Tech highly ranked?

Georgia Tech is ranked #5 in Computer Science. Is being #5 highly ranked in your dictionary?

Yes, but that’s one program. How is it’s classics program? That’s why it’s not a highly ranked overall.

Georgia Tech doesn't even have a Classics Department and offers no classes in Greek or Latin. That doesn't make it a weaker choice, unless that matters to you. Just like Dartmouth not having a major in business doesn't make it a weaker choice for those who don't care about that.

What if your kid goes in for CS and then changes their mind? Lots of kids do that. I went in for Economics and ended up switching to Chemistry. Never imagined I would do that in HS.

So Dartmouth is no good because it doesn't offer the business degree that Georgia Tech does?

Overall, Dartmouth provides a much better education and admits higher quality students than GTech. That doesn’t mean GTech isn’t good for a CS degree and getting a high-paying CS job after college. But for those in the market for prestigious educational credentials, Dartmouth beats GTech.

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Anonymous wrote:Bullish on Cornell (I know, get your jokes in)

Bearish on vandy, rice, Emory
Duke will fall but stay in t20

Cornell, jhu will rise

Bullish on Cornell

Cornell's ranking has been falling for years.

Cornell will be desired more as climate change keeps happening and fake t20 schools outside the northeast lose competitiveness

Cornell's barely an ivy. I was reading an abc news article about ivy endowments and they left Cornell completely out. The article said that there was only 7 ivys... How embarrassing. The fact that the southern elite and WashU can match the so called Ivy says all that needs to be said.

Lmao. WashU boosters and being desperate. Name a more iconic duo.

Not a WashU booster, I named it because it's not in the south. But WashU, Emory, Rice, Vandy will all pass Cornell eventually. They have so much more going for them. Vandy already passed them tbh.

This is not even remotely true, and this is coming from someone who has no relation to Cornell.

Cornell's continual decline proves my point. Not sure what proves yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price.

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS).

If you need aid, CMU will award it. Not going to get anything from a highly-ranked public as an OOS.

What is considered highly ranked is Georgia Tech highly ranked?

Georgia Tech is ranked #5 in Computer Science. Is being #5 highly ranked in your dictionary?

Yes, but that’s one program. How is it’s classics program? That’s why it’s not a highly ranked overall.

Georgia Tech doesn't even have a Classics Department and offers no classes in Greek or Latin. That doesn't make it a weaker choice, unless that matters to you. Just like Dartmouth not having a major in business doesn't make it a weaker choice for those who don't care about that.

What if your kid goes in for CS and then changes their mind? Lots of kids do that. I went in for Economics and ended up switching to Chemistry. Never imagined I would do that in HS.

So Dartmouth is no good because it doesn't offer the business degree that Georgia Tech does?

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Anonymous wrote:The gleeful posters predicting the demise of Vandy have clearly never spent a few days in deep blue Nashville.

Agree. I don’t understand the Vandy bashing. Have all these posters actually experienced Vanderbilt and/or Nashville, especially in the last decade? There appears to be a contingent who believe that quality education occurs only in the NE. That sounds a tad closed-minded, obnoxious, and parochial.

Vanderbilt provides an excellent education, but if the citizens of Tennessee elect representatives who insist on laws that limit the rights of women, LGBTQ community members, non-whites, etc., it's going to be perceived by many as a less desirable place to get an education and will lose strong applicants because of this.

Anonymous wrote:The gleeful posters predicting the demise of Vandy have clearly never spent a few days in deep blue Nashville.

Agree. I don’t understand the Vandy bashing. Have all these posters actually experienced Vanderbilt and/or Nashville, especially in the last decade? There appears to be a contingent who believe that quality education occurs only in the NE. That sounds a tad closed-minded, obnoxious, and parochial.

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Anonymous wrote:I think climate change will most definitely come into play. I can see northern schools away from the coasts (UChicago, Northwestern, Cornell, Dartmouth) being particularly resilient.

Climate Change will take decades of not more. What's more impactful is competition for resources and jobs are what people focus on the most.

Are you nuts? Climate change is happening right now

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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

That is like saying why go to a Michelin star restaurant when you can go to McDonald's and get a meal at lower price.

Getting a CS degree from GMU is not same as a CS degree from CMU.

True. But getting a CS degree from Georgia Tech ($50K OOS) is comparable to a CS degree from CMU ($80K OOS).

If you need aid, CMU will award it. Not going to get anything from a highly-ranked public as an OOS.

What is considered highly ranked is Georgia Tech highly ranked?

Georgia Tech is ranked #5 in Computer Science. Is being #5 highly ranked in your dictionary?

Yes, but that’s one program. How is it’s classics program? That’s why it’s not a highly ranked overall.

Georgia Tech doesn't even have a Classics Department and offers no classes in Greek or Latin. That doesn't make it a weaker choice, unless that matters to you. Just like Dartmouth not having a major in business doesn't make it a weaker choice for those who don't care about that.

What if your kid goes in for CS and then changes their mind? Lots of kids do that. I went in for Economics and ended up switching to Chemistry. Never imagined I would do that in HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice or Vanderbilt will probably drop out of the top 20

Plus Notre Dame, UVA, Emory and Washington University.

I wouldn't count Virginia out yet.

it's already out.

The gleeful posters predicting the demise of Vandy have clearly never spent a few days in deep blue Nashville.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a hoot about any of the rankings, but it will be interesting to see how the reversal of Roe v. Wade affects the ability of colleges in red states to attract strong students, especially women. Rice, Wash U, Tulane and Vanderbilt could be in trouble.

Your daughter factors in the ability to get an abortion in her evaluation of colleges? Interesting.

That's a pretty narrow-minded response. One doesn't have to care about one's own personal situation to factor something into a decision, and many kids (mine included) care about going to school in a geographic area that values the ability of a woman to decide for herself (within the limitations of reasonable restrictions) whether she is jeopardizing her relationship with God in order to not bring an unwanted child into the world. Just like they don't want to be somewhere that their LGBTQ friends don't have the same rights as they do. Or their friends of color are not treated nicely by the locals. Etc.

The laws and policies in some states just continue to encourage the brain drain that's been going on for decades and that contributes heavily to the polarization of our country. The more educated you are, the less likely you are to feel comfortable in a place that values some citizens less than others. That's a problem for universities in those states.