Anonymous
06/19/2022 13:14
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
Why? What is wrong with a 10 year old girl knowing that a normal part of physical development in a male during puberty is that he will get an erection? Please tell what the issue is? I’m genuinely curious.
For many girls this is the FIRST time they’ll learn about how their own body is changing. I teach 4th and for many girls this is the first they are hearing about how much their body will change in the next few years, menstruation, pads, tampons, etc. For some, it’s actually scary. Their parents have told them little to nothing. Let’s let them process that information without throwing in the opposite gender’s developing body as well… at least for another year.
Totally agree
Anonymous
06/19/2022 09:55
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
I can tell you as a teacher, even in 6th most of these kids are clueless and don’t talk to their parents about it. They should be separate in ES and then maybe combined 7 and up.
Yep, when students ask a question that I cannot answer (per FCPS guidelines) and I say, “talk to your parents.” They majority say, “Nope, not doing that.”
Anonymous
06/19/2022 09:47
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
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You raised a compassionate sibling. That has very little to do about open conversations about puberty and sex at home. It has to do with treating others with kindness and empathy. My husband does ALL the things in the last paragraph and he was raised by a traditional catholic family.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
You raised a compassionate sibling. That has very little to do about open conversations about puberty and sex at home. It has to do with treating others with kindness and empathy. My husband does ALL the things in the last paragraph and he was raised by a traditional catholic family.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 08:30
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
I can tell you as a teacher, even in 6th most of these kids are clueless and don’t talk to their parents about it. They should be separate in ES and then maybe combined 7 and up.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 06:05
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
But this is not based on biology or clinical discussions.
This is based on the premise that there is no gender.
Fcp is taking it a step further to say that not only is there no gender, there is also no difference between the sexes.
Before I call troll, I’ll give you a chance to link to the documents showing that the plan is to teach that there is no such thing as gender. Please do so when you wake stupid assertions such as this.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 06:01
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
I had that unit together over 30 years ago bc my science teacher felt everyone should know this stuff. I'm shocked they've been separating by gender all these years.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 05:37
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
But this is not based on biology or clinical discussions.
This is based on the premise that there is no gender.
Fcp is taking it a step further to say that not only is there no gender, there is also no difference between the sexes.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 03:40
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
What makes you say this is the content of Grade 4 Family Life Education?
Boys are taught this in 4th grade.
Now your daughters will be too.
Except they will also be taught that girls can have erections and boys can have periods, birth children and nurse.
Please provide the citation/link/anything valid that supports this claim.
I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.
Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?
No. They did not. Link please.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 03:39
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.
There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.
And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.
+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.
Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.
Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.
Anonymous
06/19/2022 03:08
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
Why? What is wrong with a 10 year old girl knowing that a normal part of physical development in a male during puberty is that he will get an erection? Please tell what the issue is? I’m genuinely curious.
For many girls this is the FIRST time they’ll learn about how their own body is changing. I teach 4th and for many girls this is the first they are hearing about how much their body will change in the next few years, menstruation, pads, tampons, etc. For some, it’s actually scary. Their parents have told them little to nothing. Let’s let them process that information without throwing in the opposite gender’s developing body as well… at least for another year.
Thank you for being one of the very few sensible, science based adults left in fcps who cares for children and understands child development
Anonymous
06/18/2022 23:55
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
Why? What is wrong with a 10 year old girl knowing that a normal part of physical development in a male during puberty is that he will get an erection? Please tell what the issue is? I’m genuinely curious.
For many girls this is the FIRST time they’ll learn about how their own body is changing. I teach 4th and for many girls this is the first they are hearing about how much their body will change in the next few years, menstruation, pads, tampons, etc. For some, it’s actually scary. Their parents have told them little to nothing. Let’s let them process that information without throwing in the opposite gender’s developing body as well… at least for another year.
Anonymous
06/18/2022 23:09
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?
Only girls? Boys learn all of their stuff, too. Why so prejudiced?
Do boys learn about menstruation in their group?
Yes, they do.
Anonymous
06/18/2022 23:06
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
What makes you say this is the content of Grade 4 Family Life Education?
Boys are taught this in 4th grade.
Now your daughters will be too.
Except they will also be taught that girls can have erections and boys can have periods, birth children and nurse.
Please provide the citation/link/anything valid that supports this claim.
I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.
Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?
DW and I both teach for FCPS. We haven’t heard this and none of our boys restrooms have them.
+1
Anonymous
06/18/2022 22:12
Subject: 4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ they should know! Girls have brothers ... eventually boyfriends ... eventually husbands. Of course they should know!!
They should know about it. I’m just not sure if they need to know about it when they are 9 in 4th grade … 6th grade, maybe.
What makes you say this is the content of Grade 4 Family Life Education?
Boys are taught this in 4th grade.
Now your daughters will be too.
Except they will also be taught that girls can have erections and boys can have periods, birth children and nurse.
Please provide the citation/link/anything valid that supports this claim.
I’m sure the PP is joking but I wouldn’t be surprised. People are already trying to push that anyone can menstruate. I wouldn’t trust FCPS FLE except for maybe the very basic first classes.
Didn't fcps mandate tampons be put in all school bathrooms starting spring 2021 for all the menstruating boys?
DW and I both teach for FCPS. We haven’t heard this and none of our boys restrooms have them.
Anonymous
06/18/2022 22:09
Subject: Re:4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only reason I can think to separate the genders for Sex Ed is because you think the kids might be less embarrassed to ask questions in a single-sex environment; since in my misty memories they’re generally too embarrassed too many questions anyway.
It also avoids liability problems. You won’t need to worry about separating kids by sex and getting a girl in a boys group or a non-binary kid in a girls group.
FCPS does not need to spend money hiring biologists to determine which are the girls so that they can be properly assigned.
This is just more efficient.
😂😂😂 We do not need to hire a biologist to know or to define what a girl or a woman is, nor to identify and describe intrinsic biological changes and manifestations unique to womanhood. If the people in charge do need to hire one, then they have no business teaching our kids on the subject.
Are these classes supposed to be based on facts, or on feelings? If they are based on facts, they are science based. If hey are based on feelings, they are indoctrination based.
With the new changes imposed upon the majority of parents, if FCPS wants to stop wasting our tax money in lawsuits, they should have two types of FLE lessons: one class based on science and another class based on feelings; this way parents can choose which one they want their kids to participate in - if at all. This being such a divisive topic, its lessons should definitely be an Opt-In option, the same way electives are. Once parents decide, along with their children, whether to register for the optional lessons, then they should be able to choose between FLE Science and FLE Feelings; the same way they choose among three options for the same subject: GE; Honors; and AP.