Anonymous
06/14/2022 15:44
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Playing not to win and only get recruited is hard for me to wrap my head around. The goal should always be to win. What are we teaching these players??? I think all players should get into the game, but more of a 75/25 split with starters vs. non-starters. If my daughter was one of the top players and she was only playing half the game, we would probably start looking for another club where she could get more playing time. Seems like an odd way to run a club, but I understand the recruiting aspect behind it I guess.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 15:38
Subject: Capital Tryouts
How many people posting on this thread actually have daughters playing for Capital? It sounds like another thread of keyboard parents convincing themselves that their daughters being on a different club in nova is a fine idea. Capital is the only competitive tryout club in Northern Virginia. The rest might cut 1,2 maybe 10. Capital cuts around 80.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 15:23
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
Winning matters. It always matters. Those who don't win, only say it doesn't matter. Having said that, if you win enough to be a top 10 team in your age, that's all you need to do. if the team is 1-2, 2-2 or 0-3 every weekend, that isn't good.
Correct for high school. Incorrect for club / college recruiting.
My daughters Big10 coach would say otherwise. The best teams get the most eyeballs.
Those teams also never take their stars off the field and the rest of the players rarely get any game minutes.
Fair. If you don't think your daughter can be a starter on one of the top end teams, the best decision is to go to a place where equal play time is the goal like Capitals. All depends where your daughter stack ranks on a given team. Just be honest in your assessment.
Exactly... would you rather ride the bench on Skywalker's, Hero's or M&D -- drive those miles, spend that money on tourney hotels, get no time on the field and have little / no opportunity to make an impression with coaches come recruiting time ... or ... make Capital (if you're good enough), get equal time on the field, and get recruited to as good (or better) schools? Thank you!! Finally some rationale POV here. (There are no "starters" on Capital btw ... those rotate equally too).
You don't go to those Baltimore teams to ride the pine. The top players make the move there to start and player with other top players. That's what no one is grasping here. Right now, there are maybe 3-5 top players on each MS DMV club, that's it. The top Baltimore clubs have rosters full of top talent. But if you are looking at making a move to Baltimore teams, you are making that decision with the notion of starting on that team. You just also proved the point of other posters. They aren't good enough to start on the Baltimore teams but they are "good" enough to play/start on Capital? So which is it, Capital is as good if not better talent or they are not in comparison to the Baltimore clubs?
Anonymous
06/14/2022 15:00
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
Winning matters. It always matters. Those who don't win, only say it doesn't matter. Having said that, if you win enough to be a top 10 team in your age, that's all you need to do. if the team is 1-2, 2-2 or 0-3 every weekend, that isn't good.
Correct for high school. Incorrect for club / college recruiting.
My daughters Big10 coach would say otherwise. The best teams get the most eyeballs.
Those teams also never take their stars off the field and the rest of the players rarely get any game minutes.
Fair. If you don't think your daughter can be a starter on one of the top end teams, the best decision is to go to a place where equal play time is the goal like Capitals. All depends where your daughter stack ranks on a given team. Just be honest in your assessment.
Exactly... would you rather ride the bench on Skywalker's, Hero's or M&D -- drive those miles, spend that money on tourney hotels, get no time on the field and have little / no opportunity to make an impression with coaches come recruiting time ... or ... make Capital (if you're good enough), get equal time on the field, and get recruited to as good (or better) schools? Thank you!! Finally some rationale POV here. (There are no "starters" on Capital btw ... those rotate equally too).
if you can start on Skywalker's, Hero's or M&D, go. Those girls are really strong and play a high level all year due to high level HS season...your daughter will benefit. If you can't start, stay in area.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:37
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
Winning matters. It always matters. Those who don't win, only say it doesn't matter. Having said that, if you win enough to be a top 10 team in your age, that's all you need to do. if the team is 1-2, 2-2 or 0-3 every weekend, that isn't good.
Correct for high school. Incorrect for club / college recruiting.
My daughters Big10 coach would say otherwise. The best teams get the most eyeballs.
Those teams also never take their stars off the field and the rest of the players rarely get any game minutes.
Fair. If you don't think your daughter can be a starter on one of the top end teams, the best decision is to go to a place where equal play time is the goal like Capitals. All depends where your daughter stack ranks on a given team. Just be honest in your assessment.
Exactly... would you rather ride the bench on Skywalker's, Hero's or M&D -- drive those miles, spend that money on tourney hotels, get no time on the field and have little / no opportunity to make an impression with coaches come recruiting time ... or ... make Capital (if you're good enough), get equal time on the field, and get recruited to as good (or better) schools? Thank you!! Finally some rationale POV here. (There are no "starters" on Capital btw ... those rotate equally too).
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:29
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Sorry for the repeat post -- this thing is a bit glitchy
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:28
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:** And if you are a goalie, draw specialist or low defender, these games are almost entirely meaningless. You aren't getting a D1 offer unless you have played in front of the coach at a camp or his/her prospect days.
Assuming this to be the case and you had a goalie daughter who dreams of D1, what would you be looking for in a club and how would you rank the NoVA and MoCo options (putting aside commute and price)?
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:28
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** And if you are a goalie, draw specialist or low defender, these games are almost entirely meaningless. You aren't getting a D1 offer unless you have played in front of the coach at a camp or his/her prospect days.
Assuming this to be the case and you had a goalie daughter who dreams of D1, what would you be looking for in a club and how would you rank the NoVA and MoCo options (putting aside commute and price)?
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:27
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** And if you are a goalie, draw specialist or low defender, these games are almost entirely meaningless. You aren't getting a D1 offer unless you have played in front of the coach at a camp or his/her prospect days.
Assuming this to be the case and you had a goalie daughter who dreams of D1, what would you be looking for in a club and how would you rank the NoVA and MoCo options (putting aside commute and price)?
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:27
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:** And if you are a goalie, draw specialist or low defender, these games are almost entirely meaningless. You aren't getting a D1 offer unless you have played in front of the coach at a camp or his/her prospect days.
Assuming this to be the case and you had a goalie daughter who dreams of D1, what would you be looking for in a club and how would you rank the NoVA and MoCo options (putting aside commute and price)?
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:24
Subject: Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Make sure she has a realistic chance of making it. Has she had any exposure to Capital already? Gone to the pre tryout clinics? If you answer no to both, your DD has a slim to none chance. Coming from DDs that have been through this and got guided by the process.
I don't think this is true. The reason is that I know 5 Capital players from my neighorhood and none of them went to any pre tryout clinics or classes. I know their parents well. They all made it and it made sense because they were by far the best players I had ever seen. The kind that just dominated rec. leagues and box leagues. I did know one that did a season of indoor clinics stuff with Gussie, and she was pretty good, but not as good as the others. I think the lessons helped because she did get a lot better, especially after she focused on defense. But when she tried out for Capital, she didn't make it, but they did put her on a priority waitlist.
My sense is the clinics only matter in a few instances: if your kid is on the bubble (so a few kids). Truly stand out talent will make it whether they go to clinics or not. I also wonder if clinics could be detrimental - my guess is they eliminate girls who don’t play well at them.
If these girls are standouts then they probably have been on Pride or Stars for years and Capital already knows who they are. You are correct standouts do not need to attend those clinics. The clinics might help some, but even before tryouts Capital probably already has a good idea of about 85+% of the blue roster.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:19
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also tell that to the parents who club hop. Players in the DMV do not have to go out of region to get better or be recruited.Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
That is from someone defending their club that continually loses to the better Maryland clubs. The DMV clubs, especially during the middle school years are failing at developing talent. Player growth isn't there and it shows. That's why the top DMV players continue to leave Pride and Stars and go to the better Maryland clubs.
It’s surprising how many kids commute from Virginia to play for the Baltimore teams.
Why? Better coaching, schedules and opportunities. If the families want to drive a little more, why the surprise?
MD clubs get the Nova kids who don’t make Capital.
The sport is growing. 180 DC kids tried out for Capital last year. Not all will make it.
Those who don’t will face the decision of going to Pride, Metro or MCE - or fighting rush hour to go to a MD club to try and match the recruiting strength of Capital.
I’ve been around this crazy sport for years and have never heard of a Nova kid who chose a MD club over Capital. I know plenty who didn’t make Capital and joined a MD club as a second choice.
It's not about choosing a Maryland club over Capital, it's more about choosing a Maryland club over the DMV clubs in the middle school years. That is the big issue. If a player moves in 6th or 7th grade, the choice to go to M&D, Heros, Skywalkers etc is more about choosing a new home for the long term, especially development in the MS years. The Capital teams will continue to get weaker with the weaker MS teams/clubs, that is an issue.
Is that why 180 kids tried out for Capital last year?
And of those 180, there's probably 50 worth looking at and maybe 20 that could make MD clubs and that's being nice. Do you really think Capital is better than Heros, M&D, Skywalkers etc for talent? Capital is good and has a strong track record for recent recruiting. However, as stated above, the middle school clubs feeding capital continue to get weaker and weaker.
Your math is off.
If winning was the goal, and Capital coached their teams the way other top teams play, the outcomes would be different. As it stands, 23s beat Hero’s two times last year and came within one last weekend on even rotations. They lost by two to NXT Black (ranked #2) last weekend on even rotations. Facts
Capital seeks to maximize recruits by giving players equal opportunity to showcase their talents. Guarantee your MD club doesn’t do this.
What about the 23 team's losses to M&D, Skywalkers and STEPS? What about those games? If you really think there are 180 girls in the DMV that can make the top Maryland clubs, you obviously don't know how to evaluate talent. You keep mistaking the point that it's all about winning, which is not the argument. The discussion topic is about the Maryland clubs having the top/better talent and developing that top talent. There are too many watered down teams in the DMV.
Man - tough to get thru that skull of yours.
You are the one basing your entire argument on winning-is-better.
Capital has the talent to beat those teams. They're just coached with a focus on maximizing recruits ... because of ... equal ... rotations.
Capital talent development is doing just fine ... Killed it with the 23s!
For the record, you have been responding to more than one person, so I guess we all have thick skulls...
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:18
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
Winning matters. It always matters. Those who don't win, only say it doesn't matter. Having said that, if you win enough to be a top 10 team in your age, that's all you need to do. if the team is 1-2, 2-2 or 0-3 every weekend, that isn't good.
Correct for high school. Incorrect for club / college recruiting.
My daughters Big10 coach would say otherwise. The best teams get the most eyeballs.
Those teams also never take their stars off the field and the rest of the players rarely get any game minutes.
Fair. If you don't think your daughter can be a starter on one of the top end teams, the best decision is to go to a place where equal play time is the goal like Capitals. All depends where your daughter stack ranks on a given team. Just be honest in your assessment.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:13
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also tell that to the parents who club hop. Players in the DMV do not have to go out of region to get better or be recruited.Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
That is from someone defending their club that continually loses to the better Maryland clubs. The DMV clubs, especially during the middle school years are failing at developing talent. Player growth isn't there and it shows. That's why the top DMV players continue to leave Pride and Stars and go to the better Maryland clubs.
It’s surprising how many kids commute from Virginia to play for the Baltimore teams.
Why? Better coaching, schedules and opportunities. If the families want to drive a little more, why the surprise?
MD clubs get the Nova kids who don’t make Capital.
The sport is growing. 180 DC kids tried out for Capital last year. Not all will make it.
Those who don’t will face the decision of going to Pride, Metro or MCE - or fighting rush hour to go to a MD club to try and match the recruiting strength of Capital.
I’ve been around this crazy sport for years and have never heard of a Nova kid who chose a MD club over Capital. I know plenty who didn’t make Capital and joined a MD club as a second choice.
It's not about choosing a Maryland club over Capital, it's more about choosing a Maryland club over the DMV clubs in the middle school years. That is the big issue. If a player moves in 6th or 7th grade, the choice to go to M&D, Heros, Skywalkers etc is more about choosing a new home for the long term, especially development in the MS years. The Capital teams will continue to get weaker with the weaker MS teams/clubs, that is an issue.
Is that why 180 kids tried out for Capital last year?
And of those 180, there's probably 50 worth looking at and maybe 20 that could make MD clubs and that's being nice. Do you really think Capital is better than Heros, M&D, Skywalkers etc for talent? Capital is good and has a strong track record for recent recruiting. However, as stated above, the middle school clubs feeding capital continue to get weaker and weaker.
Your math is off.
If winning was the goal, and Capital coached their teams the way other top teams play, the outcomes would be different. As it stands, 23s beat Hero’s two times last year and came within one last weekend on even rotations. They lost by two to NXT Black (ranked #2) last weekend on even rotations. Facts
Capital seeks to maximize recruits by giving players equal opportunity to showcase their talents. Guarantee your MD club doesn’t do this.
What about the 23 team's losses to M&D, Skywalkers and STEPS? What about those games? If you really think there are 180 girls in the DMV that can make the top Maryland clubs, you obviously don't know how to evaluate talent. You keep mistaking the point that it's all about winning, which is not the argument. The discussion topic is about the Maryland clubs having the top/better talent and developing that top talent. There are too many watered down teams in the DMV.
Man - tough to get thru that skull of yours.
You are the one basing your entire argument on winning-is-better.
Capital has the talent to beat those teams. They're just coached with a focus on maximizing recruits ... because of ... equal ... rotations.
Capital talent development is doing just fine ... Killed it with the 23s!
Newbie here, so please forgive the ignorance. Presumably some of you know who are the very best DMV HS girls players. Do most play for MD teams? Just trying to understand the landscape here.
Anonymous
06/14/2022 14:02
Subject: Re:Capital Tryouts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also tell that to the parents who club hop. Players in the DMV do not have to go out of region to get better or be recruited.Anonymous wrote:So winning games and club raking don’t matter? Tell that to the other top clubs….
That is from someone defending their club that continually loses to the better Maryland clubs. The DMV clubs, especially during the middle school years are failing at developing talent. Player growth isn't there and it shows. That's why the top DMV players continue to leave Pride and Stars and go to the better Maryland clubs.
It’s surprising how many kids commute from Virginia to play for the Baltimore teams.
Why? Better coaching, schedules and opportunities. If the families want to drive a little more, why the surprise?
MD clubs get the Nova kids who don’t make Capital.
The sport is growing. 180 DC kids tried out for Capital last year. Not all will make it.
Those who don’t will face the decision of going to Pride, Metro or MCE - or fighting rush hour to go to a MD club to try and match the recruiting strength of Capital.
I’ve been around this crazy sport for years and have never heard of a Nova kid who chose a MD club over Capital. I know plenty who didn’t make Capital and joined a MD club as a second choice.
It's not about choosing a Maryland club over Capital, it's more about choosing a Maryland club over the DMV clubs in the middle school years. That is the big issue. If a player moves in 6th or 7th grade, the choice to go to M&D, Heros, Skywalkers etc is more about choosing a new home for the long term, especially development in the MS years. The Capital teams will continue to get weaker with the weaker MS teams/clubs, that is an issue.
Is that why 180 kids tried out for Capital last year?
And of those 180, there's probably 50 worth looking at and maybe 20 that could make MD clubs and that's being nice. Do you really think Capital is better than Heros, M&D, Skywalkers etc for talent? Capital is good and has a strong track record for recent recruiting. However, as stated above, the middle school clubs feeding capital continue to get weaker and weaker.
Your math is off.
If winning was the goal, and Capital coached their teams the way other top teams play, the outcomes would be different. As it stands, 23s beat Hero’s two times last year and came within one last weekend on even rotations. They lost by two to NXT Black (ranked #2) last weekend on even rotations. Facts
Capital seeks to maximize recruits by giving players equal opportunity to showcase their talents. Guarantee your MD club doesn’t do this.
What about the 23 team's losses to M&D, Skywalkers and STEPS? What about those games? If you really think there are 180 girls in the DMV that can make the top Maryland clubs, you obviously don't know how to evaluate talent. You keep mistaking the point that it's all about winning, which is not the argument. The discussion topic is about the Maryland clubs having the top/better talent and developing that top talent. There are too many watered down teams in the DMV.
Man - tough to get thru that skull of yours.
You are the one basing your entire argument on winning-is-better.
Capital has the talent to beat those teams. They're just coached with a focus on maximizing recruits ... because of ... equal ... rotations.
Capital talent development is doing just fine ... Killed it with the 23s!