Anonymous wrote:What can be done? I have a second grader who is at the lowest bar of the graph. Very below goal or something like that. Can can hardly write, and his reading has improved a lot this year form nothing to something. The teacher is trying to catch him up, and he’s not alone. He missed the most important part of K and all of first.

You need to hire tutors. We spent $500/wk during the pandemic for our kid to basically have a private tutor/teacher come in 10hrs a week to teach my child where the school was failing miserably, we then moved to private after all that hard work so that my kid could be in an environment with children who had not been thrown to the wolves by the people tasked with educating them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, we have a generation of kids who weren’t properly taught how to read.

So glad we are getting back to structured literacy. We need something like Wilson FUNdations in all early elementary classrooms. And screening for all kids with early interventions.

Many APS schools use Wilson’s Fundations which is an excellent program. Next year APS will be adopting program called Amplify CKLA (see other thread). It is aligned with the science of reading and utilizes structured literacy.

Which ones? I’ve only heard of three. Unconfirmed.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, we have a generation of kids who weren’t properly taught how to read.

So glad we are getting back to structured literacy. We need something like Wilson FUNdations in all early elementary classrooms. And screening for all kids with early interventions.

Many APS schools use Wilson’s Fundations which is an excellent program. Next year APS will be adopting program called Amplify CKLA (see other thread). It is aligned with the science of reading and utilizes structured literacy.

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Anonymous wrote:This outcome was completely predictable. Young kids (K-3) needed to be in person at school during this critical developmental phase. It was an urgent issue. Virtual school for this group was completely inappropriate and it didn't take an education degree to see this and know this from early on. And no, of course some of these kids will never catch up.

It's disgusting and shameful.

Keep speaking the truth!

The current 2nd and 3rd grade classes are behavioral train wrecks at our school. Not all the kids obviously, but enough of the kids that it's a serious problem. Oddly enough the 1st graders are fine. Is that just the particular kids at this school or are others seeing the same pattern?

My 3rd grader had a good year. I didn't hear of many behavior issues, though I know the 3rd grade teachers were shocked at how far behind in writing the entire grade was at the beginning of the year. They redid the schedule to find more time for writing, spelling, grammar and remediation. Science and social studies got cut back a bunch.

I got the sense that the fall of kindergarten was tough this year with many kids having never been in preschool or even in a group setting. It seemed to be better by February or so.

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Anonymous wrote:This outcome was completely predictable. Young kids (K-3) needed to be in person at school during this critical developmental phase. It was an urgent issue. Virtual school for this group was completely inappropriate and it didn't take an education degree to see this and know this from early on. And no, of course some of these kids will never catch up.

It's disgusting and shameful.

Keep speaking the truth!

The current 2nd and 3rd grade classes are behavioral train wrecks at our school. Not all the kids obviously, but enough of the kids that it's a serious problem. Oddly enough the 1st graders are fine. Is that just the particular kids at this school or are others seeing the same pattern?

I have a second grade boy. I have been hearing A LOT of troubling reports about kids acting out--even from the parents themselves. I can't imagine that the disaster that was virtual learning did not significantly contribute to this--kids feeling frustrated and struggling when they can't keep up or follow along--learning loss, issues with attentiveness after being stuck in front of screens for 1. 5 years by their own school system. It was so wildly developmentally inappropriate.

For my child, I know they are behind, and we hired a tutor for all of his first grade year, but, that alone cannot fix it.

Honestly, it is so baffling. I cannot even begin to understand why APS isn't taking immediate and aggressive steps to remedy the learning loss. Across the board. At all schools, for kids who are identified by their teachers.

The only thing that can be said about their, "hey, look over here!", approach to trying to redirect and highlight positives, is that it is STUPID.

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Anonymous wrote:There is some good news too. Arlington is adopting amplify ckla as its ELA curriculum for k-5. It’s a knowledge based curriculum with a strong phonics curriculum. Natalie Wexler, author of The Knowledge Gap has written a lot about it. Super exciting news! Obviously the next step would be adequate teacher training on the new curriculum. I’m worried there isn’t enough time for that but I am not an educator so I don’t know how much time should be allocated to teacher training.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2020/08/how-show-kids-joy-reading/615109/

Unfortunately I don’t know much about math curriculums so I have no idea if the curriculum they adopted is a good one. Figures crossed that it is.

What a horrendous choice, don’t know why you’re excited about this.

What’s the deal with this curriculum?

This choice has been finalized already?

Did they look at Wilson?

Why is it horrendous? Ed reports has given it a favorable review. The Knowledge Matters Campaign has covered it in their school tour. Natalie Wexler has written favorably about it. It earned a tier 1 rating in Louisiana (which developed a rating system for curriculums that many districts now use). I am curious what issues you have with it.

As to the Wilsons, I thought we use it already? ATS does. My question would be is CKLA replacing Wilson’s since it already has a phonics component? Or will Wilson’s still be used as well.

I'm a different poster - no the "horrendous" one.

I was looking for an independent assessment of the ELA curriculum.

ATS might be the only ES to use Wilson. I haven't heard of any others.

I know and trust Wilson and wanted to hear more about this one before forming an opinion. Looks like it used to be owned by Murdoch though? Scary.

As for an independent assessment of curriculums that’s basically what Louisiana does and most districts look at Louisiana and EdReports when assessing a curriculum. But with Ed reports you have to be careful - it doesn’t assess a curriculum based on the science of reading. Instead it assesses a curriculum based on whether it meets the standards of the common core. For exactly what you should be looking for when evaluating a curriculum for its alignment with the science of reading, see the Reading League’s Curriculum Assessment tool. Louisiana basically follows that method when assessing curriculums. Why do most districts use Louisiana’s assessments? I have no idea to be honest! I think it’s probably because they were the first ones who did it and the most comprehensive.

Amplify is apparently owned by Steve Job’s widow so I guess you pick your billionaire when you get a curriculum. Isn’t it a lovely system?

https://fortune.com/2015/11/23/jobs-widow-new-corp-amplify/

You are equating Steve Job’s widow with Rupert Murdoch?

WTAF?

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Anonymous wrote:This outcome was completely predictable. Young kids (K-3) needed to be in person at school during this critical developmental phase. It was an urgent issue. Virtual school for this group was completely inappropriate and it didn't take an education degree to see this and know this from early on. And no, of course some of these kids will never catch up.

It's disgusting and shameful.

Keep speaking the truth!

The current 2nd and 3rd grade classes are behavioral train wrecks at our school. Not all the kids obviously, but enough of the kids that it's a serious problem. Oddly enough the 1st graders are fine. Is that just the particular kids at this school or are others seeing the same pattern?

ATS poster here. Not in my DD’s class. But she is in kindergarten and I’m thinking post pandemic, the behavioral issues are probably more with the older kids? First grade and above? That’s what I’m hearing from neighbors at least.

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Anonymous wrote:This outcome was completely predictable. Young kids (K-3) needed to be in person at school during this critical developmental phase. It was an urgent issue. Virtual school for this group was completely inappropriate and it didn't take an education degree to see this and know this from early on. And no, of course some of these kids will never catch up.

It's disgusting and shameful.

Keep speaking the truth!

The current 2nd and 3rd grade classes are behavioral train wrecks at our school. Not all the kids obviously, but enough of the kids that it's a serious problem. Oddly enough the 1st graders are fine. Is that just the particular kids at this school or are others seeing the same pattern?

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Anonymous wrote:There is some good news too. Arlington is adopting amplify ckla as its ELA curriculum for k-5. It’s a knowledge based curriculum with a strong phonics curriculum. Natalie Wexler, author of The Knowledge Gap has written a lot about it. Super exciting news! Obviously the next step would be adequate teacher training on the new curriculum. I’m worried there isn’t enough time for that but I am not an educator so I don’t know how much time should be allocated to teacher training.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2020/08/how-show-kids-joy-reading/615109/

Unfortunately I don’t know much about math curriculums so I have no idea if the curriculum they adopted is a good one. Figures crossed that it is.

What a horrendous choice, don’t know why you’re excited about this.

What’s the deal with this curriculum?

This choice has been finalized already?

Did they look at Wilson?

Why is it horrendous? Ed reports has given it a favorable review. The Knowledge Matters Campaign has covered it in their school tour. Natalie Wexler has written favorably about it. It earned a tier 1 rating in Louisiana (which developed a rating system for curriculums that many districts now use). I am curious what issues you have with it.

As to the Wilsons, I thought we use it already? ATS does. My question would be is CKLA replacing Wilson’s since it already has a phonics component? Or will Wilson’s still be used as well.

I'm a different poster - no the "horrendous" one.

I was looking for an independent assessment of the ELA curriculum.

ATS might be the only ES to use Wilson. I haven't heard of any others.

I know and trust Wilson and wanted to hear more about this one before forming an opinion. Looks like it used to be owned by Murdoch though? Scary.

As for an independent assessment of curriculums that’s basically what Louisiana does and most districts look at Louisiana and EdReports when assessing a curriculum. But with Ed reports you have to be careful - it doesn’t assess a curriculum based on the science of reading. Instead it assesses a curriculum based on whether it meets the standards of the common core. For exactly what you should be looking for when evaluating a curriculum for its alignment with the science of reading, see the Reading League’s Curriculum Assessment tool. Louisiana basically follows that method when assessing curriculums. Why do most districts use Louisiana’s assessments? I have no idea to be honest! I think it’s probably because they were the first ones who did it and the most comprehensive.

Amplify is apparently owned by Steve Job’s widow so I guess you pick your billionaire when you get a curriculum. Isn’t it a lovely system?

https://fortune.com/2015/11/23/jobs-widow-new-corp-amplify/

How is this relevant to the actual quality of the curriculum being adopted?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh. This is terrible.

We really need our schools funded. We have got to get these kids tutors, reading specialists, etc.

Parents who can read, also need to work with their kids.

Nah, better to blame the schools and funding. Why expect parents to, you know, parent?

Anonymous wrote:This outcome was completely predictable. Young kids (K-3) needed to be in person at school during this critical developmental phase. It was an urgent issue. Virtual school for this group was completely inappropriate and it didn't take an education degree to see this and know this from early on. And no, of course some of these kids will never catch up.

It's disgusting and shameful.

Keep speaking the truth!

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Anonymous wrote:There is some good news too. Arlington is adopting amplify ckla as its ELA curriculum for k-5. It’s a knowledge based curriculum with a strong phonics curriculum. Natalie Wexler, author of The Knowledge Gap has written a lot about it. Super exciting news! Obviously the next step would be adequate teacher training on the new curriculum. I’m worried there isn’t enough time for that but I am not an educator so I don’t know how much time should be allocated to teacher training.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2020/08/how-show-kids-joy-reading/615109/

Unfortunately I don’t know much about math curriculums so I have no idea if the curriculum they adopted is a good one. Figures crossed that it is.

What a horrendous choice, don’t know why you’re excited about this.

What’s the deal with this curriculum?

This choice has been finalized already?

Did they look at Wilson?

Why is it horrendous? Ed reports has given it a favorable review. The Knowledge Matters Campaign has covered it in their school tour. Natalie Wexler has written favorably about it. It earned a tier 1 rating in Louisiana (which developed a rating system for curriculums that many districts now use). I am curious what issues you have with it.

As to the Wilsons, I thought we use it already? ATS does. My question would be is CKLA replacing Wilson’s since it already has a phonics component? Or will Wilson’s still be used as well.

I'm a different poster - no the "horrendous" one.

I was looking for an independent assessment of the ELA curriculum.

ATS might be the only ES to use Wilson. I haven't heard of any others.

I know and trust Wilson and wanted to hear more about this one before forming an opinion. Looks like it used to be owned by Murdoch though? Scary.

As for an independent assessment of curriculums that’s basically what Louisiana does and most districts look at Louisiana and EdReports when assessing a curriculum. But with Ed reports you have to be careful - it doesn’t assess a curriculum based on the science of reading. Instead it assesses a curriculum based on whether it meets the standards of the common core. For exactly what you should be looking for when evaluating a curriculum for its alignment with the science of reading, see the Reading League’s Curriculum Assessment tool. Louisiana basically follows that method when assessing curriculums. Why do most districts use Louisiana’s assessments? I have no idea to be honest! I think it’s probably because they were the first ones who did it and the most comprehensive.

Amplify is apparently owned by Steve Job’s widow so I guess you pick your billionaire when you get a curriculum. Isn’t it a lovely system?

https://fortune.com/2015/11/23/jobs-widow-new-corp-amplify/

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.tulsakids.com/is-ckla-the-best-way-to-teach-children-to-read/

Interesting to see how Amplify CKLA is perceived from people who use it in the real world with ESL and SPED populations.

I haven’t vetted this website, but wanted to add this as food for thought.

This is one of the few negative articles I have seen on CKLA and ppl keep sharing it. I suggest you go to the website https://knowledgematterscampaign.org/ and read the many positive stories regarding the many districts adoption of CKLA. CKLA is not the only knowledge rich curriculum out there - you will see by reading the stories on the website that there are many others. I, for example would have preferred APS adopt Wit & Wisdom which I absolutely love. But Wit & Wisdom is intense and even more difficult to implement so it scares many teachers. I’m thinking that that’s perhaps the reason why APS is recommending CKLA over Wit & Wisdom but who knows. Either way it’s an excellent knowledge rich curriculum and is evidence based. No curriculum is perfect of course but thankfully we have great teachers at APS that are smart enough to figure out how to best tailor CKLA to the needs of their students.

Looks like you’d need to add Wilson for Wit & Wisdom.

Yep… but Arlington schools already use Wilson’s Fundations so i figured it would be a great fit. I say Arlington schools but apparently not all of them. ATS does and I’m pretty sure there are others.

From a procurement/rollout it might be more expensive and complicated to get two new countywide programs. Looks like the CKLA includes phonics & LA?

Yeah see my post above. Apparently Geodes which is the bridge between the two programs is really expensive. Plus like you said perhaps for roll out purposes two programs is more difficult than one. Now if all schools were using Wilson’s Fundations it would be a different issue. But that isn’t the case.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.tulsakids.com/is-ckla-the-best-way-to-teach-children-to-read/

Interesting to see how Amplify CKLA is perceived from people who use it in the real world with ESL and SPED populations.

I haven’t vetted this website, but wanted to add this as food for thought.

This is one of the few negative articles I have seen on CKLA and ppl keep sharing it. I suggest you go to the website https://knowledgematterscampaign.org/ and read the many positive stories regarding the many districts adoption of CKLA. CKLA is not the only knowledge rich curriculum out there - you will see by reading the stories on the website that there are many others. I, for example would have preferred APS adopt Wit & Wisdom which I absolutely love. But Wit & Wisdom is intense and even more difficult to implement so it scares many teachers. I’m thinking that that’s perhaps the reason why APS is recommending CKLA over Wit & Wisdom but who knows. Either way it’s an excellent knowledge rich curriculum and is evidence based. No curriculum is perfect of course but thankfully we have great teachers at APS that are smart enough to figure out how to best tailor CKLA to the needs of their students.

Looks like you’d need to add Wilson for Wit & Wisdom.

Yep… but Arlington schools already use Wilson’s Fundations so i figured it would be a great fit. I say Arlington schools but apparently not all of them. ATS does and I’m pretty sure there are others.

Campbell also uses Fundations.

So two option schools? It’s not broadly used.

I think it’s be great if more schools used it.

ATS poster here. I’m pretty sure more schools use it. I remember seeing a chart shared on AEM on the foundational skills curriculum that APS schools use. There were definitely more than two schools that use Wilson’s Fundations. Fundations is great. But my understanding is that it would not be necessary if APS adopts CKLA because CKLA has its own phonics program. I wonder what schools such as ATS and Campbell would do. Would they just get rid of Fundations? I looked into it more and apparently to connect Wilson’s Fundations to Wit & Wisdom and to teach them as one program schools would have to purchase Geodes. Geodes are the Wit & Wisdom phonics readers that align with Fundations. However Geodes is super expensive and many schools do not have the budget for them. Perhaps this factored into APS’ decision to pick CKLA over Wit & Wisdom. Both are great though. This is a massive improvement. I only wish I had a math background so that I could figure out if the math curriculum they are adopting is good as well.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.tulsakids.com/is-ckla-the-best-way-to-teach-children-to-read/

Interesting to see how Amplify CKLA is perceived from people who use it in the real world with ESL and SPED populations.

I haven’t vetted this website, but wanted to add this as food for thought.

This is one of the few negative articles I have seen on CKLA and ppl keep sharing it. I suggest you go to the website https://knowledgematterscampaign.org/ and read the many positive stories regarding the many districts adoption of CKLA. CKLA is not the only knowledge rich curriculum out there - you will see by reading the stories on the website that there are many others. I, for example would have preferred APS adopt Wit & Wisdom which I absolutely love. But Wit & Wisdom is intense and even more difficult to implement so it scares many teachers. I’m thinking that that’s perhaps the reason why APS is recommending CKLA over Wit & Wisdom but who knows. Either way it’s an excellent knowledge rich curriculum and is evidence based. No curriculum is perfect of course but thankfully we have great teachers at APS that are smart enough to figure out how to best tailor CKLA to the needs of their students.

Looks like you’d need to add Wilson for Wit & Wisdom.

Yep… but Arlington schools already use Wilson’s Fundations so i figured it would be a great fit. I say Arlington schools but apparently not all of them. ATS does and I’m pretty sure there are others.

From a procurement/rollout it might be more expensive and complicated to get two new countywide programs. Looks like the CKLA includes phonics & LA?