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Anonymous wrote:I don't know . . . I'd just be disappointed if my kid went to CNU. Not gonna lie. With so many other options available for in state Virginia . . . no thanks.

Why? What makes comparable options in VA better? Location, academics personal bias?

I'd prefer in a heartbeat that my kid attend any of the following VA schools over CNU:

UVA
William & Mary
Tech
JMU
VCU
UMW
GMU

I place CNU in the category of:

ODU
Longwood
Radford

I know it's gotten harder to get into in recent years, but reputations lag behind reality. I just consider it to be low second tier at the very best.

The question was comparable Universities so you would choose ODU, Longwood and Radford over CNU...why?

I never said I'd choose any of those schools over CNU. I said I consider all of those schools to be in the same category. Honestly, I wouldn't want my kid to attend any of them. I understand, of course, that for some kids those are the only in state options . . .

You’re new to college admissions I can tell …

Indeed, bet the mantra is all of their kids are headed to HYPSM...good for them if it works out.

No, the mantra is tier one VA state colleges for us.

So you have put 4 kids through college? Are they all tier 1 attendees? Good for them if so.

Yes, they are all in the tier one that I listed.

I had two go to UVA, one to William & Mary, and one to VCU for art. That's tier one enough for me.

Those aren't all tier 1 but go ahead and make yourself feel better. Tier 1 in VA is UVA, W & M and VATech Engineering.

VCU? *wince* is Richmond really the college environment you wanted for your kid? /s

As opposed to Newport News? Yes.

dogwhistle much?

Objectively, Richmond > Newport News, by almost any measure.

I mean, yea, seriously. Beyond that, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest you go to Richmond and attend VCU to get away from black people. Wow. Such total ignorance.

Yep. Sheltered white kids who haven't gone to school in a diverse environment through HS, and parents don't want to send them to colleges remotely diverse. Sad

Anonymous wrote:Am I looking at SCHEV correctly? On the CNU profile for 2021 7300 applied but only 365 submitted SAT scores. So 5%?

Common Data Set for 2020-2021 (C9) shows 1,002 of the freshmen that enrolled submitted SAT scores and 285 submitted ACT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all of the bizarre college boosters, boosting for CNU takes the cake. It's a back-up option for average Virginia high school graduates wishing they could have landed somewhere better, and trying to make it out to be anything more than that is ridiculous. It's a third tier state school that nobody has ever heard of. It's not distinguished in any way. It's just another no name college.

That you are very aware of for some reason.

I'm aware of it, yes, but only because I'm a long-time Virginia resident with kids in public schools and state colleges. No top student in my kids' schools or peer groups ever considered CNU. It's not a school for top students, period.

Of course, not everyone can be a top student. I get it. And CNU may be a good choice for some of them. I just happen to think there are better options even for non-top students in VA than CNU.

Just pointing out that per the official figures on SCHEV, the stats of the most recent freshman classes for JMU and CNU are almost the same: median SAT - 1230 JMU/1210 CNU; median ACT - 26 JMU/27 CNU; median GPA - 3.81 JMU/3.81 CNU. So the two schools are attracting the getting the same caliber of students.

Thanks for recommending the SCHEV data. There are some interesting reports on their site -- for example, undergraduate enrollment by student's locality. Here's the 2020 data for Fairfax County.

https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/E12RA_Report.asp

Undergraduate Enrollment By Student's Location of Origin
Institution Fall Term Undergraduates from Fairfax County Percentage of *In-State Undergraduates
Four-Year Public Institutions
Total Public Four-Year Institutions 2020 27,744 19.5%
Christopher Newport University 2020 677 15.2%
George Mason University 2020 9,828 41.7%
James Madison University 2020 2,550 16.6%
Longwood University 2020 217 6.0%
Norfolk State University 2020 67 1.8%
Old Dominion University 2020 810 4.5%
Radford University 2020 414 6.1%
University of Mary Washington 2020 614 16.9%
University of Virginia 2020 3,142 26.2%
University of Virginia's College at Wise 2020 39 2.2%
Virginia Commonwealth University 2020 3,378 16.7%
Virginia Military Institute 2020 79 7.4%
Virginia State University 2020 51 1.9%
Virginia Tech 2020 4,545 21.2%
William & Mary 2020 1,333 31.9%

Am I looking at SCHEV correctly? On the CNU profile for 2021 7300 applied but only 365 submitted SAT scores. So 5%?

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Anonymous wrote:Of all of the bizarre college boosters, boosting for CNU takes the cake. It's a back-up option for average Virginia high school graduates wishing they could have landed somewhere better, and trying to make it out to be anything more than that is ridiculous. It's a third tier state school that nobody has ever heard of. It's not distinguished in any way. It's just another no name college.

That you are very aware of for some reason.

I'm aware of it, yes, but only because I'm a long-time Virginia resident with kids in public schools and state colleges. No top student in my kids' schools or peer groups ever considered CNU. It's not a school for top students, period.

Of course, not everyone can be a top student. I get it. And CNU may be a good choice for some of them. I just happen to think there are better options even for non-top students in VA than CNU.

Just pointing out that per the official figures on SCHEV, the stats of the most recent freshman classes for JMU and CNU are almost the same: median SAT - 1230 JMU/1210 CNU; median ACT - 26 JMU/27 CNU; median GPA - 3.81 JMU/3.81 CNU. So the two schools are attracting the getting the same caliber of students.

I think sometimes the locals can't keep up with the schools with fast-changing profiles like CNU and GMU. It's a testament to VA's economic and education strengths that there are 2 public colleges that have rocketed satellite colleges to reputable 4 year universities so fast. That said, it's increasingly important to look at the percentage of people submitting SAT scores with test optional. A school can look like its SAT profile is high but have only a small percentage of students submitting scores. I have no idea if this is the case with CNU/JMU, but it's one more data point to attend to as you figure out schools that fit--some lower scoring students may shy away from a school with a high SAT range but not realize that it represents 20% of the applicants who opted to submit--likely the ones with higher scores. Other schools say they are test optional, but 90% of people submit their scores.

Anonymous wrote:Read through much of this thread and it wins on super annoying. And no dog in this fight.

But we looked at it CNU and our kids really liked it. Opted to apply based primarily on size. We know many kid there who love CNU and are doing great.

And no, not a commuter school.

PP here. Opted to not apply based primarily on size. Our kids who went to a big high school chose larger colleges.

Read through much of this thread and it wins on super annoying. And no dog in this fight.

But we looked at it CNU and our kids really liked it. Opted to apply based primarily on size. We know many kid there who love CNU and are doing great.

And no, not a commuter school.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all of the bizarre college boosters, boosting for CNU takes the cake. It's a back-up option for average Virginia high school graduates wishing they could have landed somewhere better, and trying to make it out to be anything more than that is ridiculous. It's a third tier state school that nobody has ever heard of. It's not distinguished in any way. It's just another no name college.

That you are very aware of for some reason.

I'm aware of it, yes, but only because I'm a long-time Virginia resident with kids in public schools and state colleges. No top student in my kids' schools or peer groups ever considered CNU. It's not a school for top students, period.

Of course, not everyone can be a top student. I get it. And CNU may be a good choice for some of them. I just happen to think there are better options even for non-top students in VA than CNU.

Just pointing out that per the official figures on SCHEV, the stats of the most recent freshman classes for JMU and CNU are almost the same: median SAT - 1230 JMU/1210 CNU; median ACT - 26 JMU/27 CNU; median GPA - 3.81 JMU/3.81 CNU. So the two schools are attracting the getting the same caliber of students.

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Anonymous wrote:CNU was a two year community college that commonly fed into William and Mary. I think they switched to a university in the early 90s so it’s a newer yet growing university. I’m from VB. I was surprised when we were going through our college consulting advisor when he brought up CNU as a match for my son. I would def suggest going to campus and checking it out! . It’s a great location as far as being close to a city and a beach.

Christopher Newport has been a four year institution since 1971.

It has been passing out degrees for a long time but it became a University in 1992. Another example ECPI University. Locals know the beginnings.

Nevertheless but the two year school that PP wanted to make it sound like.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all of the bizarre college boosters, boosting for CNU takes the cake. It's a back-up option for average Virginia high school graduates wishing they could have landed somewhere better, and trying to make it out to be anything more than that is ridiculous. It's a third tier state school that nobody has ever heard of. It's not distinguished in any way. It's just another no name college.

That you are very aware of for some reason.

I'm aware of it, yes, but only because I'm a long-time Virginia resident with kids in public schools and state colleges. No top student in my kids' schools or peer groups ever considered CNU. It's not a school for top students, period.

Of course, not everyone can be a top student. I get it. And CNU may be a good choice for some of them. I just happen to think there are better options even for non-top students in VA than CNU.

And you know this because you are not the parent of a non-top student in VA attending a state college.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know . . . I'd just be disappointed if my kid went to CNU. Not gonna lie. With so many other options available for in state Virginia . . . no thanks.

Why? What makes comparable options in VA better? Location, academics personal bias?

I'd prefer in a heartbeat that my kid attend any of the following VA schools over CNU:

UVA
William & Mary
Tech
JMU
VCU
UMW
GMU

I place CNU in the category of:

ODU
Longwood
Radford

I know it's gotten harder to get into in recent years, but reputations lag behind reality. I just consider it to be low second tier at the very best.

Add 'Elon' to the second category. It is where the dumb football players went when I was in high school.

Elon isn't in VA you moron, GTFOH.

That and it's a private school. What an idiot.

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A huge number of dumb jocks from my NOVA HS went to Elon to play football too. I never knew where it was located but assumed VA since so many VA kids were going there .

I am a native from Fairfax County and didn't hear of CNU until it seemed all the boys that play soccer started putting 'commit' on social media.

When I saw "CNU" on this board, I always assumed people were mistyping an abbreviation for Carnegie Mellon (CMU).

I guess it's a new thing, but just recently I have started seeing a lot of "CNU" decals on area cars.

You’re not so subtly proud of your intellectual snobbery but you are just awkward and dim.

— Pittsburgh native who lives in nova and knows about both CMU and CNU

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know . . . I'd just be disappointed if my kid went to CNU. Not gonna lie. With so many other options available for in state Virginia . . . no thanks.

Why? What makes comparable options in VA better? Location, academics personal bias?

I'd prefer in a heartbeat that my kid attend any of the following VA schools over CNU:

UVA
William & Mary
Tech
JMU
VCU
UMW
GMU

I place CNU in the category of:

ODU
Longwood
Radford

I know it's gotten harder to get into in recent years, but reputations lag behind reality. I just consider it to be low second tier at the very best.

Add 'Elon' to the second category. It is where the dumb football players went when I was in high school.

Elon isn't in VA you moron, GTFOH.

That and it's a private school. What an idiot.

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A huge number of dumb jocks from my NOVA HS went to Elon to play football too. I never knew where it was located but assumed VA since so many VA kids were going there .

I am a native from Fairfax County and didn't hear of CNU until it seemed all the boys that play soccer started putting 'commit' on social media.

When I saw "CNU" on this board, I always assumed people were mistyping an abbreviation for Carnegie Mellon (CMU).

I guess it's a new thing, but just recently I have started seeing a lot of "CNU" decals on area cars.

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Anonymous wrote:Of all of the bizarre college boosters, boosting for CNU takes the cake. It's a back-up option for average Virginia high school graduates wishing they could have landed somewhere better, and trying to make it out to be anything more than that is ridiculous. It's a third tier state school that nobody has ever heard of. It's not distinguished in any way. It's just another no name college.

That you are very aware of for some reason.

I'm aware of it, yes, but only because I'm a long-time Virginia resident with kids in public schools and state colleges. No top student in my kids' schools or peer groups ever considered CNU. It's not a school for top students, period.

Of course, not everyone can be a top student. I get it. And CNU may be a good choice for some of them. I just happen to think there are better options even for non-top students in VA than CNU.

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Anonymous wrote:I would look into the city of Newport News and see if that is the college town you are looking to reside.

Just come out and say the quiet part you're thinking...

NP here from the 75. It's called Newport Nam because of the crime (it's a war zone).

Yeah sure, I live here too and have been to real wars, like any city it has it's areas that could be better but it is not a war zone. If you are from here you would know that, even Phoebus is rising. CNU is in a great area of NN and a beautiful campus with great academics.

We visited CNU this spring and while Newport News wouldn't be my first choice for a place in which to attend college, the area around CNU was nice and included retail and a very pretty park. I'm sure there are parts of NN that are decidedly not nice with bad crime, but why would CNU students go there (do Georgetown students hang out in really bad parts of DC)? Plus, as I think someone mentioned, NN does have things like Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, etc. and is only 45 minutes to the beach (Virginia Beach). In contrast, we also visited JMU and while it has a beautiful campus and I think Harrisonburg is a very nice town, it's kind of isolated and short on urban amenities, which may matter to kids who aren't all that interested in outdoorsy activities.

Do you really think most college kids prefer Whole Foods and Trader Joe's to "outdoor activities?" Wow.

Unless beer pong is being played outside, yes.

They can have both, CNU has some lovely athletic fields, a classic collegiate lawn, a top national women’s soccer team, football, weekly bonfires and a sailing team. Plus many students live in apartment style dorms and appreciate decent grocery stores.

Just stop. JMU is a better, bigger, more prestigious, and more fun option.

Who said CNU was better than JMU on this thread? No one. So you're responding to criticism that doesn't exist. All that was said is that Harrisonburg is kind of isolated and lacks some urban amenities found in larger metro areas. How is this not true? (The Harrisonburg MSA population is about 135,000 while the Hampton Roads MSA population is about 1.76 million.) JMU is a great school and in a perfect location if one likes to hike, mountain bike, ski, camp, etc. But not every student is into those things and you sure can't drive to the beach in less than an hour from JMU. And neither school is prestigious, by the way.

Not every student wants to attend a large school like JMU (or VCU, or GMU, etc.) and would prefer to attend a school of 5K students.

https://yourcollegeboundkid.com/2020/03/19/christopher-newport-university-va/

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Anonymous wrote:CNU was a two year community college that commonly fed into William and Mary. I think they switched to a university in the early 90s so it’s a newer yet growing university. I’m from VB. I was surprised when we were going through our college consulting advisor when he brought up CNU as a match for my son. I would def suggest going to campus and checking it out! . It’s a great location as far as being close to a city and a beach.

Christopher Newport has been a four year institution since 1971.

It has been passing out degrees for a long time but it became a University in 1992. Another example ECPI University. Locals know the beginnings.