Anonymous
05/07/2022 07:10
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
Why does everyone need to take AP tests? I can’t imagine that this is what the authors of the IDEA act in 1990 thought of as students with disabilities. In 25 years it has gone from a law making it possible for “handicapped” (yes that was the term in the original law) students to access the general curriculum, now to students who have anxiety or trouble concentrating who are usually wealthy to get extra time on highly advanced college entrance tests.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 04:38
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
Anonymous wrote:One of the problems is that parents and their children start to believe their own hype.
If you think it's not possible for somebody who doesn't belong in a position where he could hurt someone to end up there, take note of the case of Dr. Duntsch AKA Dr. Death. He killed and maimed all sorts of people before he finally lost his privileges. I know he wasn't necessarily a slow processing speed person, but let's not pretend that people who have no business becoming surgeons, pilots, or bus drivers can end up doing just that. He's living proof of this. There need to be some tests that provide a screen for whether someone can think quickly on their feet where nobody is given extra time. Otherwise, you end up with people who think they're qualified to do work they shouldn't be doing. If there were any job where you'd think there are dozens of safeguards to prevent someone unqualified from getting it, it's neurosurgeon. Yet it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch
Wow. If anyone doubted the ableism of posters in this thread, here we have someone comparing disabled kids with processing disorder to a murderer.
You are vile PP. Absolutely vile. And my disabled kid does not qualify for extra time.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 00:53
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
PP with DD who could use an extra 15 minutes or so. I'm absolutely fine with extra time for all. IMO the test should not be beat the clock. Plenty of time in college or trade schools to measure processing speed for occupations that need that particular skill.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 00:37
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
Anonymous wrote:If you want to keep it a standardized test, either everyone should be given additional time to do the exams or nobody should. I have no doubt that the scores of people like me who did really well under the original time constraints would go up though. I wonder if proponents of extra time for slow processers would be okay with that?
I don't have an issue with extra time for all kids who need it, but often it comes down to wealth as the parents who are more wealthy are getting the private evaluations to get the perks regardless of if there is a true need or not.
My child could use extra time. Has a documented language disorder that impacts processing but we choose not to as like others say, regardless of it, they've got to learn to function in the real world and adapt.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 00:06
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
"It’s so obvious to me that most of the posters in this thread defending their bigoted takes have no experience about what it means to be disabled."
I have ADD and so do my two DCs, and I don't think that extra time is fair. But it might be a good idea to remove time constraints for everyone from SATs and APs so that we just focus on whether students know the material.
What's not fair is that my kids were diagnosed and I was able to secure accommodations for them, while other kids (like me when I was their age) don't get diagnosed and therefore don't get extra time. It also seems like "more time" is the solution for all sorts of disabilities whether it's helpful or not. That to me is the marker of a bad solution.
I have ADD and so do my two DCs, and I don't think that extra time is fair. But it might be a good idea to remove time constraints for everyone from SATs and APs so that we just focus on whether students know the material.
What's not fair is that my kids were diagnosed and I was able to secure accommodations for them, while other kids (like me when I was their age) don't get diagnosed and therefore don't get extra time. It also seems like "more time" is the solution for all sorts of disabilities whether it's helpful or not. That to me is the marker of a bad solution.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 00:00
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
If you want to keep it a standardized test, either everyone should be given additional time to do the exams or nobody should. I have no doubt that the scores of people like me who did really well under the original time constraints would go up though. I wonder if proponents of extra time for slow processers would be okay with that?
Anonymous
05/06/2022 23:53
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
One of the problems is that parents and their children start to believe their own hype.
If you think it's not possible for somebody who doesn't belong in a position where he could hurt someone to end up there, take note of the case of Dr. Duntsch AKA Dr. Death. He killed and maimed all sorts of people before he finally lost his privileges. I know he wasn't necessarily a slow processing speed person, but let's not pretend that people who have no business becoming surgeons, pilots, or bus drivers can end up doing just that. He's living proof of this. There need to be some tests that provide a screen for whether someone can think quickly on their feet where nobody is given extra time. Otherwise, you end up with people who think they're qualified to do work they shouldn't be doing. If there were any job where you'd think there are dozens of safeguards to prevent someone unqualified from getting it, it's neurosurgeon. Yet it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch
If you think it's not possible for somebody who doesn't belong in a position where he could hurt someone to end up there, take note of the case of Dr. Duntsch AKA Dr. Death. He killed and maimed all sorts of people before he finally lost his privileges. I know he wasn't necessarily a slow processing speed person, but let's not pretend that people who have no business becoming surgeons, pilots, or bus drivers can end up doing just that. He's living proof of this. There need to be some tests that provide a screen for whether someone can think quickly on their feet where nobody is given extra time. Otherwise, you end up with people who think they're qualified to do work they shouldn't be doing. If there were any job where you'd think there are dozens of safeguards to prevent someone unqualified from getting it, it's neurosurgeon. Yet it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Duntsch
Anonymous
05/06/2022 23:24
Subject: Re:For parents who are jealous of kids who get extra time/think it's unfair
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As long as the test scores are reported to the colleges indicating that they were taken with particular accommodations, I’m fine with it. Part of the test is to see how testers perform under the time pressure. If that element is reduced, particularly in tests where there is a real intentional time crunch, that should be transparent.
So colleges can engage in even more rampant disability discrimination?
A PP explained it well. There is a range of processing speeds in kids who are neurotypical. Timed tests are measuring this speed and significantly penalizing students with lower processing speeds. All the indicator does is say that a test marked as having received an accommodation should not be used to evaluate speed but can be used for accuracy. Personally, I think we should get rid of timed tests all together.
I’m fine with getting rid of timed tests entirely. They seem fairly useless as a predictor. I am not remotely okay with tests indicating accommodations, and I say that as the parent of a disabled kid who doesn’t get extra time.
It’s so obvious to me that most of the posters in this thread defending their bigoted takes have no experience about what it means to be disabled. The level of discrimination faced by disabled kids is so, so high. I do not trust any college admissions boards to fairly evaluate disabled kids in admissions. But I am fully in favor of kids making as much use of accommodations as they can.