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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

What a load of crap. GTFOOH

DP, they're right.

When obese people wear the clothes, they're stretched out in ways that don't match normal, healthy bodies. And yes I did say "normal, healthy bodies" - which a size 20 is not. And a size 00 may also not, but pp is right that it's easier to envision how a piece of clothing may fit on say, a size 6-10 woman, than images of clothing on very obese women.

Take these shorts for example - they took totally different on the obese vs. standard model. The fitting is totally different - it's not just a matter of larger size.

https://athleta.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=291749122&cid=46814&pcid=46814&vid=1&nav=meganav%3A1x-3x%3ACATEGORIES%3ABottoms&cpos=111&cexp=2702&kcid=CategoryIDs%3D46814&ctype=Listing&cpid=res22050114869057513712466#pdp-page-content

As someone who looks more like the larger model, that photo is helpful to me. It shows me how the cut of the short cannot accommodate a round belly and the fabric will pull and wrinkle to make them look too tight. Maybe a different person my size would think they are a flattering length or would be ok because they have a flatter stomach but a thick bottom.

All the photo tells me is that the obese model really shouldn’t wear shorts.

All your comment tells me is that you are an asshole.

Anonymous wrote:I think she looks beautiful, but the clothes are terrible. They'd be terrible on a hot blonde. Good for them for choosing an older woman and not photoshopping away her age spots and wrinkles.

This! I can't believe those who are upset that she has wrinkly skin and age spots (or that they weren't photoshopped away). The whole point of inclusive advertising is to be more realistic and appeal to a variety of ages, ethnicities, body types, etc.

I am all for size inclusivity with models but I agree some brands are not really being inclusive when the options are just 5’10” size 2 or 5’10” size 20. Neither of those is average and while for me the size 2 will be a little closer, I think it would make more sense to include a size 8 or 12.

I think if a garment comes in anything above a 16 (which thankfully more brands are doing), it is important to show a 16+ model in the item because as PPs mentioned, they actually cut clothes differently for this range.

One thing I’ve seen for petite sizing that is like to see for all sizing is an explanation of what the fit differences might be for different sizes. Like some brands will explain that their petite sizes are cut with shorter hems and sleeve lengths, but also some differences in dart placement or princess seaming. That’s useful if, like me, you sometimes got petite clothes and sometimes don’t. I think it would be useful to explain how they change a pattern for a size 22 versus a size 8.

On topic: I think the older Athleta model is really stunning snd I particularly appreciate seeing her in activewear because it’s only recently that older women were “allowed” to be athletic. I find it inspiring. Agree fit and lighting are bad but that’s really common for these photos, regardless of the model’s size or age. Some brands cheap out on photography.

Dang, the thins sure are steamed that fat women now have access to the same clothes as them lol

Why on earth would companies cater to thin people when the average woman is a size 16? Most look closer to the size 20 model, so that’s what should be more represented if they want to make money.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

What a load of crap. GTFOOH

DP, they're right.

When obese people wear the clothes, they're stretched out in ways that don't match normal, healthy bodies. And yes I did say "normal, healthy bodies" - which a size 20 is not. And a size 00 may also not, but pp is right that it's easier to envision how a piece of clothing may fit on say, a size 6-10 woman, than images of clothing on very obese women.

Take these shorts for example - they took totally different on the obese vs. standard model. The fitting is totally different - it's not just a matter of larger size.

https://athleta.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=291749122&cid=46814&pcid=46814&vid=1&nav=meganav%3A1x-3x%3ACATEGORIES%3ABottoms&cpos=111&cexp=2702&kcid=CategoryIDs%3D46814&ctype=Listing&cpid=res22050114869057513712466#pdp-page-content

As someone who looks more like the larger model, that photo is helpful to me. It shows me how the cut of the short cannot accommodate a round belly and the fabric will pull and wrinkle to make them look too tight. Maybe a different person my size would think they are a flattering length or would be ok because they have a flatter stomach but a thick bottom.

All the photo tells me is that the obese model really shouldn’t wear shorts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

What a load of crap. GTFOOH

DP, they're right.

When obese people wear the clothes, they're stretched out in ways that don't match normal, healthy bodies. And yes I did say "normal, healthy bodies" - which a size 20 is not. And a size 00 may also not, but pp is right that it's easier to envision how a piece of clothing may fit on say, a size 6-10 woman, than images of clothing on very obese women.

Take these shorts for example - they took totally different on the obese vs. standard model. The fitting is totally different - it's not just a matter of larger size.

https://athleta.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=291749122&cid=46814&pcid=46814&vid=1&nav=meganav%3A1x-3x%3ACATEGORIES%3ABottoms&cpos=111&cexp=2702&kcid=CategoryIDs%3D46814&ctype=Listing&cpid=res22050114869057513712466#pdp-page-content

That's.....why they have TWO different sized models. But you're offended because they didn't put the skinny model first. OMG, get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

Clothing is made to drape differently on different sizes. If a designer is cutting a 0 and a size 20 the same way, they have no business calling themselves a designer.

You think Gap is making drastically different patterns to someone make the same clothing item drape the same on a size 0 and 20? They aren’t.

So why do you think we should only see it on a size 0 model then? How are we supposed to imagine what it will look like on a size 10 woman if we see it hanging loose on someone who weighs 100 lbs? You are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

No, I don't think you understand how this works. On a toothpick, it just hangs there. How does that let you see how it's supposed to look unless you have ZERO curves? I'm sorry, but no, you're wrong. Most women have curves. You are the outlier.

You are also a disgusting piece of shit for judging fat women, but that's a whole different story.

- Size 6 here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Can we please stop saying that plus sized or curvier women are the women with “real figures”? All women have real figures.
I agree with the PPs above that catalogs need to include more medium-sized women.

Can you please stop not understanding sarcasm?? OMG.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

What a load of crap. GTFOOH

DP, they're right.

When obese people wear the clothes, they're stretched out in ways that don't match normal, healthy bodies. And yes I did say "normal, healthy bodies" - which a size 20 is not. And a size 00 may also not, but pp is right that it's easier to envision how a piece of clothing may fit on say, a size 6-10 woman, than images of clothing on very obese women.

Take these shorts for example - they took totally different on the obese vs. standard model. The fitting is totally different - it's not just a matter of larger size.

https://athleta.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=291749122&cid=46814&pcid=46814&vid=1&nav=meganav%3A1x-3x%3ACATEGORIES%3ABottoms&cpos=111&cexp=2702&kcid=CategoryIDs%3D46814&ctype=Listing&cpid=res22050114869057513712466#pdp-page-content

As someone who looks more like the larger model, that photo is helpful to me. It shows me how the cut of the short cannot accommodate a round belly and the fabric will pull and wrinkle to make them look too tight. Maybe a different person my size would think they are a flattering length or would be ok because they have a flatter stomach but a thick bottom.

Anonymous wrote:Wow beautiful model, hope to age that well. I don't wanna see fatty fat fats in any clothes. There I said it. It isn't helpful when picking my clothes and is an eye sore and you aren't going to make me feel bad for saying that.

You're disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Lands End gray haired women that is in the catalogs is gorgeous. I hope I age like her.

As for plus size, I dislike when the plus model is first picture. I can’t tell if it only plus size. Very large curve distort the clothes too. I can’t tell how the fabric is supposed to drape

Well now you know how plus sized or curvier women feel when the models are only stick straight with teeny tiny boobs. We have no idea how clothes are going to look on women with real figures when they only display them on toothpicks!!! I can't tell how the fabric is supposed to drape because it just hangs there.

Actually on very thin models, you see exactly how the clothes are meant to drape, like seeing the clothes on a hanger. Then you can envision your body and your unique curves. It is hard to do the reverse. If i see a pleated tennis skirt stretched out on a size 20..I have no idea how the fabric is meant to look and drape.

What a load of crap. GTFOOH

DP, they're right.

When obese people wear the clothes, they're stretched out in ways that don't match normal, healthy bodies. And yes I did say "normal, healthy bodies" - which a size 20 is not. And a size 00 may also not, but pp is right that it's easier to envision how a piece of clothing may fit on say, a size 6-10 woman, than images of clothing on very obese women.

Take these shorts for example - they took totally different on the obese vs. standard model. The fitting is totally different - it's not just a matter of larger size.

https://athleta.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=291749122&cid=46814&pcid=46814&vid=1&nav=meganav%3A1x-3x%3ACATEGORIES%3ABottoms&cpos=111&cexp=2702&kcid=CategoryIDs%3D46814&ctype=Listing&cpid=res22050114869057513712466#pdp-page-content

just f right on off love