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Anonymous wrote:It either needs to actually happen in June or Both companies and the CDC need to tell people to stop waiting. Literally preschools are basing their guidance on this vaccine being right around the corner and have been for months. Schools are even still talking about masking in the fall if the vaccine isn't ready yet. This is just getting insane. They either need to commit to it or tell people it's basically not happening anytime soon/ever.

Totally agree- this is my big issue with it too. If an effective vaccine for the under 5s just isn’t going to happen anytime soon, so be it! But the CDC needs to actually update its childcare-specific guidance to eliminate quarantines and not recommend masking. I’m convinced that the people making these decisions must be a bunch of old people with no recent experience of having to use daycare. Just a total lack of recognition with what parents have been dealing with for two years, especially in super-blue areas that interpret any guidance the most literally/cautiously.

This has been one of the main problems throughout this entire pandemic.

This is/was one of the issues I have with Fauci. So out of touch.

And nobody at the CDC seems to be advocating for our kids. Does nobody at the agency have children??

Anonymous wrote:Moderna submitted, but it looks like it’s not a full request.

I’ve heard reports saying “summer” now. And they may wait on Pfizer. So who knows. July shots in arms, maybe?

That should say full submission.

It looks like maybe first or second week of May for that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamcancryn/status/1519503187081895937

Moderna submitted, but it looks like it’s not a full request.

I’ve heard reports saying “summer” now. And they may wait on Pfizer. So who knows. July shots in arms, maybe?

I can't believe there are still so many parents actually banking on this vaccine.

Our toddlers have already had covid this year. Vaccine will be about 6 months too late.

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Anonymous wrote:Knowing this --that the vaccine is basically worthless for under 5s-- doesn't it make you wonder whether it works for 5 year olds? Don't you think it's coincidental that it was released for school age children so early? There is no national union of daycare workers refusing to return to work until the babies are vaccinated.

Again, calling the vaccine basically worthless is inaccurate. First, the under 5 vaccine has different, lower, dosage. Second, hospitalization rates and infection rates are lower for the vaccinated, even in the 5+ age group. Is the vaccine making already very low risk kids even more low risk? Yes. Is it "basically worthless"? No.

This is the hope but until we see the data we don’t know if the further risk reduction will be enough to justify EUA.

Are you now talking abotu under 5's? I'm talking about 5+, for which data through Omicron exists and it is not "worthless". I don't know what they will do for under 5s. But, no, I do not wonder whether it works for 5 year olds. Data exists.

Well you referenced both in your short paragraph. cheers.

Based on Fauci’s comments, vaccines won’t happen until June— at the earliest.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Knowing this --that the vaccine is basically worthless for under 5s-- doesn't it make you wonder whether it works for 5 year olds? Don't you think it's coincidental that it was released for school age children so early? There is no national union of daycare workers refusing to return to work until the babies are vaccinated.

Again, calling the vaccine basically worthless is inaccurate. First, the under 5 vaccine has different, lower, dosage. Second, hospitalization rates and infection rates are lower for the vaccinated, even in the 5+ age group. Is the vaccine making already very low risk kids even more low risk? Yes. Is it "basically worthless"? No.

This is the hope but until we see the data we don’t know if the further risk reduction will be enough to justify EUA.

Are you now talking abotu under 5's? I'm talking about 5+, for which data through Omicron exists and it is not "worthless". I don't know what they will do for under 5s. But, no, I do not wonder whether it works for 5 year olds. Data exists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Knowing this --that the vaccine is basically worthless for under 5s-- doesn't it make you wonder whether it works for 5 year olds? Don't you think it's coincidental that it was released for school age children so early? There is no national union of daycare workers refusing to return to work until the babies are vaccinated.

Again, calling the vaccine basically worthless is inaccurate. First, the under 5 vaccine has different, lower, dosage. Second, hospitalization rates and infection rates are lower for the vaccinated, even in the 5+ age group. Is the vaccine making already very low risk kids even more low risk? Yes. Is it "basically worthless"? No.

This is the hope but until we see the data we don’t know if the further risk reduction will be enough to justify EUA.

Anonymous wrote:Knowing this --that the vaccine is basically worthless for under 5s-- doesn't it make you wonder whether it works for 5 year olds? Don't you think it's coincidental that it was released for school age children so early? There is no national union of daycare workers refusing to return to work until the babies are vaccinated.

Again, calling the vaccine basically worthless is inaccurate. First, the under 5 vaccine has different, lower, dosage. Second, hospitalization rates and infection rates are lower for the vaccinated, even in the 5+ age group. Is the vaccine making already very low risk kids even more low risk? Yes. Is it "basically worthless"? No.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/21/kids-covid-vaccine-delay-insulting/

"At this point in the pandemic, plenty of parents are harried and exhausted and angry. But we’re not idiots."

I really liked this piece. Insulting is a great word for it.

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Anonymous wrote:It either needs to actually happen in June or Both companies and the CDC need to tell people to stop waiting. Literally preschools are basing their guidance on this vaccine being right around the corner and have been for months. Schools are even still talking about masking in the fall if the vaccine isn't ready yet. This is just getting insane. They either need to commit to it or tell people it's basically not happening anytime soon/ever.

Totally agree- this is my big issue with it too. If an effective vaccine for the under 5s just isn’t going to happen anytime soon, so be it! But the CDC needs to actually update its childcare-specific guidance to eliminate quarantines and not recommend masking. I’m convinced that the people making these decisions must be a bunch of old people with no recent experience of having to use daycare. Just a total lack of recognition with what parents have been dealing with for two years, especially in super-blue areas that interpret any guidance the most literally/cautiously.

+1

I thought this article - https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-education/why-are-preschoolers-subject-to-the-strictest-covid-rules-in-new-york-city - offers a useful perspective on why our society as a whole is subjecting the lowest risk group to the most restrictions. I think the drivers are:
- The idea young children can't get vaccinated, social distance (how much do older kids really social distance???) and can't wear masks properly makes people feel less safe, and makes public officials more hesitant to drop restrictions, despite the low risk to children
- A refusal to acknowledge that if adults faced the same hospitalization and death rates from COVID as young children do (very low), lockdowns, universal masking, quarantines, etc. would never have been considered for anybody
- The fact that families with young children in daycare are not very politically powerful - most of us are too tired to make a stink about it and families that send their children to daycare are not wealthy. The article's point at the end about the people protesting the preschool mask mandate in NYC being White fails to note that most people who are protesting restrictions for all ages are White, but only adults and school-age children's restrictions have been lifted. This is a baldly political calculation among Democrat lawmakers who can claim they are "listening" to BIPOC populations by ignoring the least powerful White people but kowtowing to the larger, more powerful group of White people. Nevermind the fact that public health measures should be based on SCIENCE, not public opinion.

Knowing this --that the vaccine is basically worthless for under 5s-- doesn't it make you wonder whether it works for 5 year olds? Don't you think it's coincidental that it was released for school age children so early? There is no national union of daycare workers refusing to return to work until the babies are vaccinated.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It either needs to actually happen in June or Both companies and the CDC need to tell people to stop waiting. Literally preschools are basing their guidance on this vaccine being right around the corner and have been for months. Schools are even still talking about masking in the fall if the vaccine isn't ready yet. This is just getting insane. They either need to commit to it or tell people it's basically not happening anytime soon/ever.

Totally agree- this is my big issue with it too. If an effective vaccine for the under 5s just isn’t going to happen anytime soon, so be it! But the CDC needs to actually update its childcare-specific guidance to eliminate quarantines and not recommend masking. I’m convinced that the people making these decisions must be a bunch of old people with no recent experience of having to use daycare. Just a total lack of recognition with what parents have been dealing with for two years, especially in super-blue areas that interpret any guidance the most literally/cautiously.

This has been one of the main problems throughout this entire pandemic.

Anonymous wrote:It either needs to actually happen in June or Both companies and the CDC need to tell people to stop waiting. Literally preschools are basing their guidance on this vaccine being right around the corner and have been for months. Schools are even still talking about masking in the fall if the vaccine isn't ready yet. This is just getting insane. They either need to commit to it or tell people it's basically not happening anytime soon/ever.

Totally agree- this is my big issue with it too. If an effective vaccine for the under 5s just isn’t going to happen anytime soon, so be it! But the CDC needs to actually update its childcare-specific guidance to eliminate quarantines and not recommend masking. I’m convinced that the people making these decisions must be a bunch of old people with no recent experience of having to use daycare. Just a total lack of recognition with what parents have been dealing with for two years, especially in super-blue areas that interpret any guidance the most literally/cautiously.

It either needs to actually happen in June or Both companies and the CDC need to tell people to stop waiting. Literally preschools are basing their guidance on this vaccine being right around the corner and have been for months. Schools are even still talking about masking in the fall if the vaccine isn't ready yet. This is just getting insane. They either need to commit to it or tell people it's basically not happening anytime soon/ever.