For many non-Stem kids, getting a job that pays well after graduation is the most important goal --they (and their families) can't risk paying all that college money (or borrowing $100,000+) and then ending up in retail.

That's why many kids choose business -- job placement statistics from the schools show very convincing ROI outcomes.

My DD is majoring in Commerce at UVA is looking at low six figure jobs when she graduates. It took me 12+ years to get a salary like that.

To paraphrase Coolidge: "The business of America is business"

Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I can't believe you look down on business majors but think that majoring in Art History, Classics or similar is a good idea. Have you ever worked outside of the teaching bubble? I'm guessing no. My sister majored in business and is currently in consulting managing the STEM worker bees. I know that's just one example, but assuming students that don't want to do STEM are not intelligent is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago

Sorry the top consulting firms and finance firms disagree with high school teachers LOL
That's why you guys are stuck with low paying HS teacher job, and they work for top consulting and finnance firms making $$$$$

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago

All the kids applying to say the Ross School of Business are not dumb. Also, not everyone wants to do STEM. Smart kids have been told that smart kids do STEM. Some very smart kids decide that they don't want to follow that path. The McIntire school of business at UVA is also an apply in program--also not for dumb kids. But carryon with your generalizations.

Anonymous wrote:I wish more people at my office majored in business rather than history or interpretive dance or whatever so that they could write well. I literally say to myself all-the-time how I wish everyone majored in business.

I loathe receiving multi-paragraph emails that I need a map and highlighter to piece together, like a riddle, the point in 1 sentence or less. My God! I don't care about all the backstory and pointless facts. Longer is not better in business.

In fact, it's so bad at my office, I'm going to start sifting through old emails of certain people, pluck out the 5 words of importance, and keep a running sheet so that I have a reference document nobody else will create, and then I will share it with my team!! It will also be. . . Chronological!!!

Yeah, you write real well. So well that I can’t decipher what you’re trying to say.

I wish more people at my office majored in business rather than history or interpretive dance or whatever so that they could write well. I literally say to myself all-the-time how I wish everyone majored in business.

I loathe receiving multi-paragraph emails that I need a map and highlighter to piece together, like a riddle, the point in 1 sentence or less. My God! I don't care about all the backstory and pointless facts. Longer is not better in business.

In fact, it's so bad at my office, I'm going to start sifting through old emails of certain people, pluck out the 5 words of importance, and keep a running sheet so that I have a reference document nobody else will create, and then I will share it with my team!! It will also be. . . Chronological!!!

I think companies value recruiting business majors over other more rigorous majors at most schools because it makes it easy to pluck kids.

Please don't let your kid major in Busienss,
so that my kid gets less competition

This discussion is useless without differentiating between which business schools we’re talking about, the majors with them and the recruiting dynamics of the particular school in question.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

At 99% of schools it is. But not at undergrad Hass, Ross, Wharton, McCombs, etc.

Anything below that including VT I would major in arts and sciences or engineering

No even at VT Pamplin business is better than art and science.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

At 99% of schools it is. But not at undergrad Hass, Ross, Wharton, McCombs, etc.

Anything below that including VT I would major in arts and sciences or engineering

What about USC School of Business? Would you major in business/finance or School of Arts and Sciences

USC Marshall >> USC Art and Science

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago

Please, teachers, stop giving kids bad, unsolicited advice about college, including bad financial advice regarding debt. You are not corporate professionals. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago

Sorry the top consulting firms and finance firms disagree with high school teachers LOL
That's why you guys are stuck with low paying HS teacher job, and they work for top consulting and finnance firms making $$$$$

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago

But, this isn’t an option for kids attending the vast majority of universities. Management consulting firms (the word “consulting” is broad on its own) don’t recruit from the majority of schools. A kid at JMU would be better off majoring in accounting, engineering or pre-health than Econ. On the other hand, a kid at Brown can get a fine job with an Econ degree.

Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school teacher, and have worked at several top independent schools. The kids who intend to major in Business for undergrad are, across the board, less intelligent than kids who choose hard STEM majors. Actually, the (rich, don’t need to make $) kids who choose Art History, English, Classics, or similar also tend to be more intelligent and driven than the Business majors.

To summarize, the smartest kids who need to work for money don’t choose Business, but tend toward STEM. The smartest kids who do not need to work for money also avoid Business, in favour of things like Art History, Classics, English, or similar.

Business is a bro degree. I’m sorry, but it is.

I agree with this. I’m a public school teacher and my smartest kids go on to major in core subjects like, math, biochem, Econ or history. Or they might do premed or engineering or CS. The kids obsessed with making money talk about business school. But they are generally not the super smart kids. I personally encourage kids to stay on a more traditional track but then apply to management consulting companies to move into finance. Or major in Econ or CS and then apply for banking or tech internships. It definitely is a very different career environment from 25 years ago