Anonymous
Post 07/16/2022 14:05     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some Colgate supporters may bristle with this take, but its popularity has crested.


As far as Colgate's trajectory, I would encourage people to trust the data and not some fartknocker on a forum. Acceptance rate dropping by 50% every year. SAT and ACT midranges climbing. Doesn't sound like cresting to me.


The SAT midrange this year is 1460-1540, up from 1360-1490 in just one year! Why? A whole new class of students hijacked from Dartmouth? Um, no.
It's because with the new test-optional policies, most applicants below the previous year's 25/75 midrange, or even below the 50th percentile, are not submitting. Which is also responsible for the compression of the 25/75 numbers. It's also true that at Colgate, the acceptance rate for test submitters was about 3x the number for non-submitters. Another interesting number is Colgate's average GPA, stated as 3.95. REALLY? Up from 3.7 in one year? If correct, it means that and overwhelming majority of the freshman class had a 4.0 gpa (on a 4.0 scale)
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 21:03     Subject: Re:Colgate?
The increases are tied to three items, there is an article floating around the colgate site:

Accepting common app

Positive media exposure during Covid - that is when the dean of school moved into a dorm and brought back all the students into a campus bubble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh2yl0Kzi7Q

New tuition system, free for households under 80k HHI
https://www.colgate.edu/news/stories/colgate-university-launches-colgate-commitment
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 18:02     Subject: Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:Eh, middling school at best.


Sure . . . Middle of the best LACs out there. Good point.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 14:47     Subject: Colgate?
Eh, middling school at best.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 14:27     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colgate's admission rate this year was about 17% - low, but not quite in Amherst/Williams/Midd territory despite huge increase in applications.
Part of what's driving the spike in numbers at many competitive schools is applications from non-score-reporting applicants who would not previously have applied. And some of these applicants are shotgunning 20, 30+ applications just to see what sticks. Which means, at many schools, accepted students will have more options and yield will trend down. So the decline in admission rates is not linear.


Nope. Admission rate was 12% for class of 2026.


Where are those numbers? The school reported 17% but has not send out its CDS yet.


Kickstart.

But the 12% number makes sense. Colgate received 21,000+ applications this year, which is a record fir them an up 21% over the year before, which was also a record. The number of applications this year was an astonishing 2.5 times greater (146%) than just 2 years ago.

Given that they received 21,000 applications, it isn’t hard to do the math that results in 12% because they are going to accept about the same number of students as they did the year before.


I thought the "astonishing" increase a couple of years ago coincided with their move to the common app.


A large application increase can happen more than once - and did at Colgate it appears.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 14:25     Subject: Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:But Colgate says 17%


Good god PP. It says 17% for last year (2021 HS class). Colgate also enrolled too many kids last year, so accepted fewer this year and recieved far more applications this year as well. It’s simple math and the admissions office will confirm to you that the incoming 2026 class (2022 HS seniors) had an acceptance rate of 12% (11.8% rounded up).
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 11:34     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colgate's admission rate this year was about 17% - low, but not quite in Amherst/Williams/Midd territory despite huge increase in applications.
Part of what's driving the spike in numbers at many competitive schools is applications from non-score-reporting applicants who would not previously have applied. And some of these applicants are shotgunning 20, 30+ applications just to see what sticks. Which means, at many schools, accepted students will have more options and yield will trend down. So the decline in admission rates is not linear.


Nope. Admission rate was 12% for class of 2026.


Where are those numbers? The school reported 17% but has not send out its CDS yet.


Kickstart.

But the 12% number makes sense. Colgate received 21,000+ applications this year, which is a record fir them an up 21% over the year before, which was also a record. The number of applications this year was an astonishing 2.5 times greater (146%) than just 2 years ago.

Given that they received 21,000 applications, it isn’t hard to do the math that results in 12% because they are going to accept about the same number of students as they did the year before.


I thought the "astonishing" increase a couple of years ago coincided with their move to the common app.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 10:29     Subject: Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:But Colgate says 17%


Yes, it was 17% last year. The estimated 11-12% is for this year.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2022 09:53     Subject: Colgate?
But Colgate says 17%
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2022 22:42     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colgate's admission rate this year was about 17% - low, but not quite in Amherst/Williams/Midd territory despite huge increase in applications.
Part of what's driving the spike in numbers at many competitive schools is applications from non-score-reporting applicants who would not previously have applied. And some of these applicants are shotgunning 20, 30+ applications just to see what sticks. Which means, at many schools, accepted students will have more options and yield will trend down. So the decline in admission rates is not linear.


Nope. Admission rate was 12% for class of 2026.


Where are those numbers? The school reported 17% but has not send out its CDS yet.


Kickstart.

But the 12% number makes sense. Colgate received 21,000+ applications this year, which is a record fir them an up 21% over the year before, which was also a record. The number of applications this year was an astonishing 2.5 times greater (146%) than just 2 years ago.

Given that they received 21,000 applications, it isn’t hard to do the math that results in 12% because they are going to accept about the same number of students as they did the year before.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2022 22:38     Subject: Colgate?
Nonsense
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2022 22:35     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Agree with all of the previous points about test scores and college admissions. Jettisoning the test requirement is going to be judged in the rear view mirror as a very stupid and costly mistake. It’s frankly ludicrous to suggest test scores are anything but the best way to judge kids’ academic abilities coming out of disparate high schools from around the country and the world. The pendulum will swing back to putting a big emphasis on standardized tests but the kids who were screwed this decade will pay the cost - both those who end up at schools where they cannot handle the work load and those whose work and ability should have placed them in more challenging college academic environs. Frankly it’s the former cohort that will pay the highest price and those kids are likely the ones who can least handle it


You wish, but just not true. My kid had a low SAT score and is thriving big time at a much higher ranked school than Colgate. Those tests are inane.


Your personal anecdote is meaningless. Rigorous scientific study has proven that standardized tests are the best predictor of college success. They are the only, just the best. What do you not understand?


There's nothing I don't understand. Except that you keep saying that but haven't provided any proof of such studies. Because the only ones there are those by people who stand to profit from sustaining the grift that is the College Board.


+1


You are both correct. The smartest kids on campus, the ones who can ace any/all standardized tests, will be the ones who major in the toughest subjects - hard sciences, math, etc. The dumber kids who can’t do well on objective tests will also do fine - in the softer majors like sociology and gender studies. College isn’t like HS - there are few required courses and you never have to take chem or calculus (MIT excepted). That’s why TO will continue forever, bc the colleges will trot out the fact that TO kids do just as well on campus. And everyone is too afraid of SJW/BLM to change current policy. It’s a new world and it isn’t going back to the way it was.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2022 21:10     Subject: Colgate?
If the kid brushes with Colgate toothpaste, his smile will be an asset to any employer in the country.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2022 21:07     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree with all of the previous points about test scores and college admissions. Jettisoning the test requirement is going to be judged in the rear view mirror as a very stupid and costly mistake. It’s frankly ludicrous to suggest test scores are anything but the best way to judge kids’ academic abilities coming out of disparate high schools from around the country and the world. The pendulum will swing back to putting a big emphasis on standardized tests but the kids who were screwed this decade will pay the cost - both those who end up at schools where they cannot handle the work load and those whose work and ability should have placed them in more challenging college academic environs. Frankly it’s the former cohort that will pay the highest price and those kids are likely the ones who can least handle it


You wish, but just not true. My kid had a low SAT score and is thriving big time at a much higher ranked school than Colgate. Those tests are inane.


Your personal anecdote is meaningless. Rigorous scientific study has proven that standardized tests are the best predictor of college success. They are the only, just the best. What do you not understand?


There's nothing I don't understand. Except that you keep saying that but haven't provided any proof of such studies. Because the only ones there are those by people who stand to profit from sustaining the grift that is the College Board.


+1
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2022 15:20     Subject: Re:Colgate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Colgate's admission rate this year was about 17% - low, but not quite in Amherst/Williams/Midd territory despite huge increase in applications.
Part of what's driving the spike in numbers at many competitive schools is applications from non-score-reporting applicants who would not previously have applied. And some of these applicants are shotgunning 20, 30+ applications just to see what sticks. Which means, at many schools, accepted students will have more options and yield will trend down. So the decline in admission rates is not linear.


Nope. Admission rate was 12% for class of 2026.


Where are those numbers? The school reported 17% but has not send out its CDS yet.