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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Ok, Liz.

This is how it works. Schools discount tuition when they need to and they don’t when they don’t need to.

I don't think UVA does, as the UVA person said. Tuition discounting (separate from financial aid) is most acute at some private schools because they have high list prices.

Ok, UVA booster. We get that you want to call merit scholarships "tuition discounting." They are called merit scholarships because they are given based on academic achievement. UVA knows exactly what to call them at the med school level because they happen to offer them. At the undergraduate level because they don't offer them, they try to dismiss them as merely "tuition discounting."

I'm not a UVA booster, I'm just trying to make a distinction. UVA's undergraduate merit scholarships are funded through external foundations, most notably the Jefferson Scholars. The mechanism for doing this is not "tuition discounting". The foundation is paying the costs. I thought this thread was specifically about undergraduate, so I was not commenting on the medical school.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Ok, Liz.

This is how it works. Schools discount tuition when they need to and they don’t when they don’t need to.

I don't think UVA does, as the UVA person said. Tuition discounting (separate from financial aid) is most acute at some private schools because they have high list prices.

Ok, UVA booster. We get that you want to call merit scholarships "tuition discounting." They are called merit scholarships because they are given based on academic achievement. UVA knows exactly what to call them at the med school level because they happen to offer them. At the undergraduate level because they don't offer them, they try to dismiss them as merely "tuition discounting."

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Ok, Liz.

This is how it works. Schools discount tuition when they need to and they don’t when they don’t need to.

I don't think UVA does, as the UVA person said. Tuition discounting (separate from financial aid) is most acute at some private schools because they have high list prices.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Ok, Liz.

This is how it works. Schools discount tuition when they need to and they don’t when they don’t need to.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Ok, Liz.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

Referring to merit aid as tuition discounting is dismissive and pompous. She couldn't just say, "no we don't give merit aid." Instead, she tried to devalue it because UVA doesn't offer it by being snobby and calling it tuition discounting. This was to a student. Totally condescending and unnecessary.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

Liz Magill isn’t pompous and neither is that response. I don’t see the problem with it. I’m not being “defensive” in either instance.

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.

DP. Why are you so defensive? If someone is super smart, anything they say should never be questioned? I read a question and answer session where a student asked a question about merit aid and the person from UVA responded, "what your are referring to is tuition discounting and UVA doesn't do that...." The person who said that might be perfectly nice but it was still a pompous response.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, UVA is a terrible and horribly expensive school. My kid is applying next year, so I desperately need to scare-monger kids away from this school. Please, please tell those 50,000 applicants to get lost. TIA.

What you should be telling them is to apply to Georgia Tech. It only cost $5,000/year for a much better STEM degree.

Yes, yes, go to Georgia Tech. There, that should do it.

Ha! Ha! 😉

The reason to not go to GT is if there is any chance your child might change their major (which my engineering kid at UVA did). You don’t want to be a history major at GT

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Anonymous wrote:Our child was just accepted by UVA and GA Tech for CS. We didn’t receive any aid from either one. Total OOS price at GT is only $5k higher than the IS price at UVA, we were quite surprised.

Georgia Tech is $50,610 OOS. UVA is $35,430. So GT is $15 Mk more

DP. UVA's price varies by major.

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Anonymous wrote:Our child was just accepted by UVA and GA Tech for CS. We didn’t receive any aid from either one. Total OOS price at GT is only $5k higher than the IS price at UVA, we were quite surprised.

Georgia Tech is $50,610 OOS. UVA is $35,430. So GT is $15 Mk more

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“I don’t think anyone in this room needs to be convinced of the value proposition of an education at the University of Virginia,” said UVa Provost Liz Magill. “We attract incredibly talented students, staff and faculty and we offer a world-class education that’s recognized globally for its strength and its breadth.”

She’s leaving to be Penn’s President. I know her personally (although it’s been years) and she is an extremely smart, impressive, and decent person. She’d no doubt run circles around you.

Good for her! Doesn’t change the facts, but I’m sure she’s a nice person.

And can run circles around you.