Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

As a compromise, the renters could count as 3/5's of a person.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding.

One person from the MacArthur area actually went out of her way to post to the listserv her position that renters should not have the same day as homeowners because their “investment” in the community was not equivalent.

And, by the way, that Foxhall lady is nuts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

The claim is not true

- someone who was on the 2011 task force

Note that the claim was about outcome and not about intent. It may have happened even if it was not the intent of the people on the 2011 task force.

Anonymous wrote:So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

Stop with the false narrative. 7 out of 8 current ANC Commissioners for Cleveland Park live in apartments, condos and an ADU. Only one lives in a single family house.

Anonymous wrote:So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

The claim is not true

- someone who was on the 2011 task force

Anonymous wrote:So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

As a compromise, the renters could count as 3/5's of a person.

So I sat through the meeting last night.

The claim was made that the redistricting done after the 2010 census had systematically diluted the influence of people who live in multi-family dwellings (ie apartment buildings; ie renters).

I don't know if this is true, but if it is then the objections to the Task Force's work suddenly make a lot more sense. All of the talk of "gerrymandering" and "voter suppression" is a cover for outrage that others are being treated as equals. One Cleveland Park resident seemed to say the quiet part out loud when he suggested that the Task Force "back out" renters from their population numbers and only look at homeowners.

Did they vote tonight?

Anonymous wrote:The fix is in. The Task Force isn’t and was never interested in community engagement.

Tricia Duncan and troy Kravitz need to be held accountable for this mess.

The fix is in. The Task Force isn’t and was never interested in community engagement.

Janell Pagats the ANC 3C SMD 03 pro development Commissioner. Like a spoiled toddler. How did she get elected? We need some grown ups in the room.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there anyone, other than the people on the Task Force, who are happy with what has transpired or how it has come into being?

Unlike many of the people losing their minds, I actually attended via Zoom several of the task force meetings. I could not believe how conscientious and detail-oriented the discussion was. Unlike the Chicken Little's losing it over "gerrymandering," the task force actually looked at the whole ward, the charge they were given, issues with the current boundaries, and came up with a map that does what they were instructed to do. Since we can't have the whole ward be one ANC, there are boundaries, and yes, it's better to be in the middle of a district than on the boundary. But someone has to be on the boundary, and they did a good job of placing them.

We must have attended different meetings

They had open meetings (live streaming was not as much of a thing then) and shared progress on the different enighborhood yahoo groups. Plus there were like 50 people on the task force from all of the neighobrhoods.

The downside, there were a number of ANC commissioners who fought for their own self interests, so that is part of what the Councilmember was trying to avoid this time.

And yes, the GGW gamification of census tracts were part of the process.

Did anyone on this thread participate in the 2011 ANC redistricting process? It would be helpful to understand how that process differed from the current one. In the 2011 redistricting, how were the Task Force's proposed maps shared with the public? Did residents, not just task force members, have the ability to publicly post their own boundary map proposals for task force and public feedback? Enclosed are some previous posts/articles on the 2011 process, but it would be great to have the perspective of others who served on the previous task force, attended the meetings/hearings, etc...

https://ggwash.org/view/10810/anc-3d-redistricting-gerrymanders-students-and-residents

November 2012 Council Hearing Video (http://dc.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=22&clip_id=966) and transcript (http://dc.granicus.com/TranscriptViewer.php?view_id=22&clip_id=966)

Except the map does not do what it is instructed to do.

Lower Foxhal should be paired on the MacArthur corridor with the rest of Palisades, not with Wisconsin Ave oriented Glover Park.

Reno Road serves as a dividing line in Cleveland Park, but not Friendship heights, leaving people who live close to Wisconsin Avenue in a Connecticut Avenue ANC. Why?

AU and the AU students placement is all over the map, literally. It makes no sense where their lines are drawn and which Commission it is oriented to.

As someone noted on the Listserves, the way this is legally supposed to work is you draw the SMD maps and then group the SMDs to ANCs.

This group is doing it backwards, contrary to DC law.

Anonymous wrote:Is there anyone, other than the people on the Task Force, who are happy with what has transpired or how it has come into being?

Unlike many of the people losing their minds, I actually attended via Zoom several of the task force meetings. I could not believe how conscientious and detail-oriented the discussion was. Unlike the Chicken Little's losing it over "gerrymandering," the task force actually looked at the whole ward, the charge they were given, issues with the current boundaries, and came up with a map that does what they were instructed to do. Since we can't have the whole ward be one ANC, there are boundaries, and yes, it's better to be in the middle of a district than on the boundary. But someone has to be on the boundary, and they did a good job of placing them.