Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 21:27     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:Sus that you’re blaming the kids. They’re children. It’s adults that have failed them.


OP wasn’t blaming the kids. But this is sad and scary. Our future is in their hands.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 21:26     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
And yet amazingly, despite being disrespectful to a sub who asked me to stop sleeping on my desk in 8th grade (I didn't feel well and told her to go away and leave me alone), I managed to wind up with a job that pays more than minimum wage.


And here you are as an adult still thinking this was an okay way to handle it.


Show me where I said that. Oh wait, right, I didn't. My point is that being difficult to a substitute teacher is not an indication that someone will wind up in a minimum wage job, which is what the OP is alleging.


Then perhaps you should quote the OP in your post otherwise people will think you are responding to what you quoted- which was on politeness to subs.


I assumed people would be familiar with the initial post that started the thread, and what was said therein. Perhaps not a reasonable expectation for DCUM.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 21:23     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Insubordinate. And churlish.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 21:00     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:I hear you. I test kids in elementary schools and it’s one on one mostly and kids are younger but I feel similar. Kids are mostly nice but my heart breaks for them. A 5th grader saying they have never seen a wild animal. Another 5th grader unable to retell the basic text with visual clues. It’s not a language issue. Some kids’ brains are just never engaged and trained, plus genetics sometimes too.
I believe this. There are 2 kids in my daughters Girl Scout troop ( 5th graders) who cannot ride a bike or swim. Bit both of them have their own cell phones with data plans. It’s so sad, the kids think they’re getting what they want and they’re cool…. But they’re missing out on so much.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:59     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
OP, this video is a much-watch for all subs. Some practical tips here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:58     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sus that you’re blaming the kids. They’re children. It’s adults that have failed them.


I don’t see OP blaming anyone. Just stating the facts. The prognosis isn’t looking so good regardless of who’s responsible.


She places blame directly on them. “Many are extremely defiant…They don’t seem to understand that this is their chance to create a good future.” Pure disdain for these kids.

You should pick a different job OP.


This is clearly the same poster over and over making these comments- so just ignore her.
- however OP I will warn you- anytime you post anything that challenges those “less fortunate” to step up and get their “s***” together, you will get attacked. Because they are always victims. Why nothing changes for them.
Anyhow- yes what you experienced is obnoxious and sad/ thank you so much for subbing! It is hard work- these kids and their parents are totally accountable and should be in trouble for their behavior. But see here is the difference- the parents of those crappy kids are the posters on here blaming others instead of accepting accountability. If my Kid acted the way you described, they would face serious consequences at home. Losing their phone for being on in class at alll- and for treating a sub like that- they would have to go in early apologize to principal sub and regular teacher.
But again, that’s why my kids weren’t the ones in your class- the other posters were.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:48     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:For the PP who asked what it looks like when they can't read. It's very very slow reading, sounding out words like "visualize" and then having no reading comprehension. Some of these kids clearly need one on one help, but no one has time for that. It's sad.

Thanks for responding OP. It sounds like these kids were taught using "balanced literacy." The evidence no longer supports this method. It's not only sad that students are still taught this way, it's criminal.

At a Loss for Words: How a flawed idea is teaching millions of kids to be poor readers
https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-reading
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:46     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:

And yet amazingly, despite being disrespectful to a sub who asked me to stop sleeping on my desk in 8th grade (I didn't feel well and told her to go away and leave me alone), I managed to wind up with a job that pays more than minimum wage.


And here you are as an adult still thinking this was an okay way to handle it.


Show me where I said that. Oh wait, right, I didn't. My point is that being difficult to a substitute teacher is not an indication that someone will wind up in a minimum wage job, which is what the OP is alleging.


Then perhaps you should quote the OP in your post otherwise people will think you are responding to what you quoted- which was on politeness to subs.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:42     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
They may need someone to believe in them. Someone who will not determined after a glimpse at one day of their, that they are doomed to failure. Someone who understands life has been extra challenging the past few years. Someone to encourage and guide them to keep trying.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 20:09     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
I’ve been thinking about signing up to sub. I was worried about Covid, but after 4 plane rides and attending a HUGE sporting event, I didn’t catch it. I may sign up soon.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:44     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sus that you’re blaming the kids. They’re children. It’s adults that have failed them.


I don’t see OP blaming anyone. Just stating the facts. The prognosis isn’t looking so good regardless of who’s responsible.


She places blame directly on them. “Many are extremely defiant…They don’t seem to understand that this is their chance to create a good future.” Pure disdain for these kids.

You should pick a different job OP.


OP is stepping in like many parents are because there is a sub and teacher shortage. Parents should be alarmed by the way their kids treat substitutes. Things are going downhill and I blame the parents
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:41     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
1. It's 8th grade.

2. You're a sub.

3. Of course they're not going to respect you or want to do a lick of work

4. And you're so stupid and unaware of the dynamic here, you can conclude they're all doomed after one day!!! Clearly, subbing for that age group is not for you


Not to mention the disrespect is obviously mutual based on what OP wrote. Kids will pick up on that and act accordingly. [/quote]

What a crock of sh!t.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:32     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.

And yet amazingly, despite being disrespectful to a sub who asked me to stop sleeping on my desk in 8th grade (I didn't feel well and told her to go away and leave me alone), I managed to wind up with a job that pays more than minimum wage.


And here you are as an adult still thinking this was an okay way to handle it.


Show me where I said that. Oh wait, right, I didn't. My point is that being difficult to a substitute teacher is not an indication that someone will wind up in a minimum wage job, which is what the OP is alleging.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 19:29     Subject: Re:Sad after subbing in the middle school.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sus that you’re blaming the kids. They’re children. It’s adults that have failed them.


I don’t see OP blaming anyone. Just stating the facts. The prognosis isn’t looking so good regardless of who’s responsible.



This. Our community has problems.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2022 18:41     Subject: Sad after subbing in the middle school.
I hear you. I test kids in elementary schools and it’s one on one mostly and kids are younger but I feel similar. Kids are mostly nice but my heart breaks for them. A 5th grader saying they have never seen a wild animal. Another 5th grader unable to retell the basic text with visual clues. It’s not a language issue. Some kids’ brains are just never engaged and trained, plus genetics sometimes too.