Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 16:54     Subject: Re:Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Anonymous wrote:Some of you never played sports and it shows.


Exactly. This is not a MoCo issue or kids these days issue. Fights have happened in high school since the beginning of high school sports. It happened, it got broken up, no one seriously hurt, adults (other than Blake coach) did a good job breaking it up, players have been suspended. Stop the pearl clutching and move on.


Have players been suspended? For anyone suspended, were they kicked off the team? Any consequences for the Blake Assistant Coach?

You don’t have to name names but sending out that XYZ is the consequences of fighting would help prevent a reoccurrence at future games.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 16:09     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Anonymous wrote:Aerial view helps. Clearly Churchill player started it, but I don't see wrongdoing by coaches, right?


Is churchill in black or white? I think White.

If you go to the 1st second of the clip a white boy in black on on the ground, he gets up and bunches the black kid in white which knocks him out of bounds.

The black kid in white comes in from the out of bounds goes down the court and punches the white kid in black.


Video does show the entire incident.

Churchill (white jersey) blindsided Blake player and knocked him to the ground. Blake player gets up and shoves Churchill player out of bounds. Churchill player runs down court and throws first punch.


Pushing happens in basketball .. punching doesn’t.

Blake threw 1st punch.

I personally don’t care about either school.


The airel view looks like Churchill threw the first punch.

There was def shoving beforehand, and the refs need a tighter whistle in these types of games, but looks like the white team escalated


The refs did nothing to try and stop the fight. In our experience with MoCo athletics, the refs contributed to many poor decisions that would escalate tensions during games.no excuse for throwing any punches.

Refs don't stop fights, especially melees. That's up to game management and security. The most you can hope for is that the refs call a tight enough game that it doesn't get too chippy leading to this sort of thing.

Who the hell wants to ref these days, anyway? Even with decent game management and security on site, the parents are simply atrocious.


And where was security??? And where were school administrators??? Was there police on site???


Security and school administrators are some of people breaking up fight. Security gets paid over time for working sporting events. Basketball games typically don't have big crowds especially with non-rivals like Blake/Churchill. Probably only 1 or 2 security guards there. Police are required for every football game. They used to be required for every basketball game. That was cancelled about five years ago. Jack Smith didn't think it was necessary and cut the funding.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 16:05     Subject: Re:Blake at Churchill basketball game
Anonymous wrote:Some of you never played sports and it shows.


Exactly. This is not a MoCo issue or kids these days issue. Fights have happened in high school since the beginning of high school sports. It happened, it got broken up, no one seriously hurt, adults (other than Blake coach) did a good job breaking it up, players have been suspended. Stop the pearl clutching and move on.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 16:02     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Anonymous wrote:Referees don't get paid enough to get in the middle of a melee.


They do however get paid more than substitute teachers. Think about that for a minute. Talk about revealing the system's priorities.


Supply and demand. Lot harder to be a ref than a substitute teacher.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 15:46     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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If it was a foul, let the Blake player get a technical. That didn’t justify the Churchill player sucker punching the Blake player. To me it looked like the Blake player was just being aggressive in the game. Not the same as a punch.


The Blake players hit was so hard it could be heard on the video. No whistle. Play continued. Each team already had 6 technicals. The referees were letting these players beat the crap out of each other. The game was out of control long before the brawl and that was the fault of the referees and coaches.


The game was chippy and refs did not have control. But there had been one flagrant foul before this. No technical fouls. Each team may have had 6 fouls total.


Thank you.

That makes more sense. 6 personal fouls. I couldnt believe that there had bee 6 technicals before this


That was the report on the news.


Shockingly, in that case, the news was wrong. I was there.
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Post 02/02/2022 14:33     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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If it was a foul, let the Blake player get a technical. That didn’t justify the Churchill player sucker punching the Blake player. To me it looked like the Blake player was just being aggressive in the game. Not the same as a punch.


The Blake players hit was so hard it could be heard on the video. No whistle. Play continued. Each team already had 6 technicals. The referees were letting these players beat the crap out of each other. The game was out of control long before the brawl and that was the fault of the referees and coaches.


The game was chippy and refs did not have control. But there had been one flagrant foul before this. No technical fouls. Each team may have had 6 fouls total.


Thank you.

That makes more sense. 6 personal fouls. I couldnt believe that there had bee 6 technicals before this


That was the report on the news.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 13:22     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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If it was a foul, let the Blake player get a technical. That didn’t justify the Churchill player sucker punching the Blake player. To me it looked like the Blake player was just being aggressive in the game. Not the same as a punch.


The Blake players hit was so hard it could be heard on the video. No whistle. Play continued. Each team already had 6 technicals. The referees were letting these players beat the crap out of each other. The game was out of control long before the brawl and that was the fault of the referees and coaches.


The game was chippy and refs did not have control. But there had been one flagrant foul before this. No technical fouls. Each team may have had 6 fouls total.


Thank you.

That makes more sense. 6 personal fouls. I couldnt believe that there had bee 6 technicals before this
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 13:01     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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If it was a foul, let the Blake player get a technical. That didn’t justify the Churchill player sucker punching the Blake player. To me it looked like the Blake player was just being aggressive in the game. Not the same as a punch.


The Blake players hit was so hard it could be heard on the video. No whistle. Play continued. Each team already had 6 technicals. The referees were letting these players beat the crap out of each other. The game was out of control long before the brawl and that was the fault of the referees and coaches.


The game was chippy and refs did not have control. But there had been one flagrant foul before this. No technical fouls. Each team may have had 6 fouls total.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 12:51     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
Anonymous wrote:Churchill's uniforms are white. No idea who the white-T-shirt belongs to. But I'd imagine some of the adult-looking people may be students (spectators) rather than parents.


The white t-shirt guy is a Blake assistant coach. The man on the ground is an adult that was trying to help break up the fight.
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 12:42     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
Anonymous wrote:Churchill player shoved first (not shown on video). He shoved behind the play and knocked Blake player down. Blake player retaliated with push then Churchill player threw punch.


from aerial view it's apparent video starts right after Blake player (black jersey) has been knocked down (could have been hard screen, could have been push, could have tripped over his own feet - who knows - though unlikely any punches had been thrown yet). Blake player gets up and body pushes Churchill player out of bounds with shoulder (w/arms and hands down) - aggressive and certainly non-basketball related but not yet egregious. Churchill player then chases Blake player down court and sucker punches in head as first punch.

Trailing ref had view right in front of him and probably should have whistled dead at any point prior (other ref pre-occupied with ball handler). Particularly if game had been ugly already.
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Post 02/02/2022 11:07     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Anonymous wrote:Is it really clear that the Churchill kid threw the first punch? The dark uniforms (Blake?) looked like they were the aggressors, if only from that short clip?


From aerial view: video starts with Blake player (black jersey) on ground. Gets up and pushes Churchill player (white jersey) out of bounds. Churchill player chases Blake player down court and cold cocks him in side of head. Players tumble into stands. Then you can see a parent (I'm assuming Churchill parent based on what happens next) comes barreling down the stands (you can see him sitting in top row on left hand side - he jumps up and runs down steps onto court - has red mask and jacket on). At same time, what appears to be Blake coach runs across court and gets in melee. Churchill parent ends up pulling Blake coach out of the melee and as they approach center court tangled up together, Blake player (orange shoes) out of nowhere sucker punches Churchill parent who falls at center court as crowd goes "whoaaa!!"....

Pretty nice high school game environment MCPS has these days....

I blame Blake’s terrible AD. Coach and players are a reflection of his poor leadership.


They all were bad. Churchill player threw the first punch. Blake side fought back. Parents who got involved - unreal. Player injured on the ground at the end of one clip. Everyone lost their freaking minds and no one could reign it in.

Were there any fights when spectators weren’t allowed? I don’t think so.

Restorative Justice - BS. Physical assaults deserve real punishment. In my day, being an athlete was a privilege that you earned. There’s no room in athletics for that type of behavior and to not take swift and harsh action sends a message to both school communities that fighting is tolerated. It was tolerated for football games and now it’s tolerated for basketball.

And no, the Churchill administrators should not be patting themselves on the back for a job well done.


Blake player slammed Churchill player first.


Not true. Not shown on video was Churchill player pushing Blake player from behind and knocking him down which resulted in Blake player shoving Churchill player.


Some of these things are quasi-normal parts of the game. Definitely fouls, but not outside the scope of what often happens. The question is what you consider the tipping point to unusually bad behavior, which I would consider to be the first punch and not the first shove.


This the correct. The first shove probably happened seconds into the game.

The shoving is irrelevant. The fight started when the first punch was thrown
Anonymous
Post 02/02/2022 11:00     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
Churchill player shoved first (not shown on video). He shoved behind the play and knocked Blake player down. Blake player retaliated with push then Churchill player threw punch.
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Post 02/02/2022 10:54     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
Wrong. Blake player retaliated by pushing. Churchill player threw the first sucker punch - and a sucker punch at that.
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Post 02/02/2022 10:18     Subject: Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Anonymous wrote:Is it really clear that the Churchill kid threw the first punch? The dark uniforms (Blake?) looked like they were the aggressors, if only from that short clip?


From aerial view: video starts with Blake player (black jersey) on ground. Gets up and pushes Churchill player (white jersey) out of bounds. Churchill player chases Blake player down court and cold cocks him in side of head. Players tumble into stands. Then you can see a parent (I'm assuming Churchill parent based on what happens next) comes barreling down the stands (you can see him sitting in top row on left hand side - he jumps up and runs down steps onto court - has red mask and jacket on). At same time, what appears to be Blake coach runs across court and gets in melee. Churchill parent ends up pulling Blake coach out of the melee and as they approach center court tangled up together, Blake player (orange shoes) out of nowhere sucker punches Churchill parent who falls at center court as crowd goes "whoaaa!!"....

Pretty nice high school game environment MCPS has these days....

I blame Blake’s terrible AD. Coach and players are a reflection of his poor leadership.


They all were bad. Churchill player threw the first punch. Blake side fought back. Parents who got involved - unreal. Player injured on the ground at the end of one clip. Everyone lost their freaking minds and no one could reign it in.

Were there any fights when spectators weren’t allowed? I don’t think so.

Restorative Justice - BS. Physical assaults deserve real punishment. In my day, being an athlete was a privilege that you earned. There’s no room in athletics for that type of behavior and to not take swift and harsh action sends a message to both school communities that fighting is tolerated. It was tolerated for football games and now it’s tolerated for basketball.

And no, the Churchill administrators should not be patting themselves on the back for a job well done.


Blake player slammed Churchill player first.


Not true. Not shown on video was Churchill player pushing Blake player from behind and knocking him down which resulted in Blake player shoving Churchill player.


Pushing is part of basketball punching is not. Blake there the 1st punch.
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Post 02/02/2022 10:17     Subject: Re:Blake at Churchill basketball game
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Another view shows Churchill player throw first punch.


Thank you!!!


Not if you go to the 1st second of the video, the boy in black throws the 1st punch.