Anonymous
02/03/2022 10:10
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew him in our 20s. He’s incredibly socially awkward. I don’t understand why he’s managed to get this much prominence and I am completely befuddled as to why Georgetown law hired him
I know him as well. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to smear him this way.
You know he is brilliant. At least admit what you know.
And Georgetown recognizes talent. Plus, Ilya is no racist - if you know him then you know that too.
Our mutual friend/ acquaintance has now been cancelled.
His reputation smeared, possibly permanently. His career destroyed.
This debacle is political oppression. Sure, hang your argument on a tweet (since deleted and apologized for). But we all Ilya was cancelled because of his political views and work for a Libertarian think tank.
Think about that: libertarian.
Did you read “The Crucible” in high school? Were you taught it was really about the 1950’s political oppression under McCarthy?
A modern witch-hunt is playing out before our eyes in this country, and it is leading us down a very dark and ugly path toward tyranny.
Cancelling Ilya is not a victory; it is a major blow to freedom, liberty, and diversity of thought (something Universities once championed).
He didn't get cancelled, he was held accountable. I would fire any employee who wrote that text. He's not a professor with tenure, he's an administrator. He forgot what his job was - to do his job and not piss off all constituencies.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 10:08
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
It’s funny that you see Georgetown as a political actor instead of what it actually is, a law school. And the 3 most important stakeholders in a law school are the administration, the faculty and the students. I think he’s already angered all three by his behavior.
People certainly have free speech, but the legal profession - and particularly legal academia - runs on collegiality. His conduct makes him unfit.
You forgot their biggest constituent - DONORS!
Frank McCourt (Democrat) recently gave the School of Public Policy $200M for not only a building, but to diversify the School of Public Policy. While he gave to the SPP, do you really think they want to piss him off because of some yahoo in the law school? Really?
Anonymous
02/03/2022 10:02
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew him in our 20s. He’s incredibly socially awkward. I don’t understand why he’s managed to get this much prominence and I am completely befuddled as to why Georgetown law hired him
I know him as well. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to smear him this way.
You know he is brilliant. At least admit what you know.
And Georgetown recognizes talent. Plus, Ilya is no racist - if you know him then you know that too.
Our mutual friend/ acquaintance has now been cancelled.
His reputation smeared, possibly permanently. His career destroyed.
This debacle is political oppression. Sure, hang your argument on a tweet (since deleted and apologized for). But we all Ilya was cancelled because of his political views and work for a Libertarian think tank.
Think about that: libertarian.
Did you read “The Crucible” in high school? Were you taught it was really about the 1950’s political oppression under McCarthy?
A modern witch-hunt is playing out before our eyes in this country, and it is leading us down a very dark and ugly path toward tyranny.
Cancelling Ilya is not a victory; it is a major blow to freedom, liberty, and diversity of thought (something Universities once championed).
He has not been “cancelled”. He still has a job.
Normally when people are publicly insubordinate and embarrass their boss, they lose their jobs. The question I would ask is how this guy can manage to not get fired for some that anyone one else - including POC women in particular - would.
Anonymous
02/03/2022 09:50
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew him in our 20s. He’s incredibly socially awkward. I don’t understand why he’s managed to get this much prominence and I am completely befuddled as to why Georgetown law hired him
I know him as well. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to smear him this way.
You know he is brilliant. At least admit what you know.
And Georgetown recognizes talent. Plus, Ilya is no racist - if you know him then you know that too.
Our mutual friend/ acquaintance has now been cancelled.
His reputation smeared, possibly permanently. His career destroyed.
This debacle is political oppression. Sure, hang your argument on a tweet (since deleted and apologized for). But we all Ilya was cancelled because of his political views and work for a Libertarian think tank.
Think about that: libertarian.
Did you read “The Crucible” in high school? Were you taught it was really about the 1950’s political oppression under McCarthy?
A modern witch-hunt is playing out before our eyes in this country, and it is leading us down a very dark and ugly path toward tyranny.
Cancelling Ilya is not a victory; it is a major blow to freedom, liberty, and diversity of thought (something Universities once championed).
Anonymous
02/03/2022 09:38
Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Amid all of this sanctimonious posturing about the Kochs, please note that the left outspends the right when it comes to dark money:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/11/arabella-advisors-money-democrats/620553/
And the Twitter mob trying to cancel Shapiro should probably know that he has previously recommended other minority candidates (such as Sri Srinivasan and Janice Rodgers Brown) as prospective SC justices. His objection was to Biden's ridiculous identity politics pandering given that Biden said he would only consider a black woman as a nominee. Kind of ironic given that Biden blocked nominations of other minority candidates to federal and SC positions:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1486862347901800450?cxt=HHwWhMC4ya_bsqIpAAAA
You don't have to agree with Shapiro, but cavalierly smearing someone on social media as a racist and trying to get them fired is pathetic cowardice.
PP here. The bolded is fascinating, and maybe one of the least self-aware things I have ever read. The "Twitter mob" didn't dig up an obscure Shapiro footnote from 10 years ago - Shapiro self-published those Tweets! He thought those thoughts, then wrote them down, and hit enter. And yes, we know he likes Srinivasan, because he called him out by name and said that Srinivasan would be a better choice than a yet unnamed nominee and then made sure to emphasize that whoever is nominated will be a "lesser black woman."
How do you think the Chief Justice of the DC Court of Appeals felt about all that? How do you think Georgetown Law, who probably values the relationships they can cultivate with both the DC Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court felt?
You can delete and apologize and it's good that Shapiro did, but yeah, this might get him fired. I'm not rooting for it. But if it happens, it's not going to be the Twitter mob that did it. It's Shapiro's own words and actions.
It’s crazy projection. Shapiro was trying to prevent people from getting employment based on his view that they were unqualified and only selected based on their race.
Is the soon-to-be open seat on the S.Ct. open to people of any race? Any gender?
- or are the overwhelming majority of qualified applicants excluded solely on their skin color and gender?
Anonymous
02/02/2022 11:36
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew him in our 20s. He’s incredibly socially awkward. I don’t understand why he’s managed to get this much prominence and I am completely befuddled as to why Georgetown law hired him
I know him as well. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to smear him this way.
You know he is brilliant. At least admit what you know.
And Georgetown recognizes talent. Plus, Ilya is no racist - if you know him then you know that too.
Not the PP, but what he wrote is very clearly racist. If he's so brilliant and not racist, he can take the time to not Tweet such awful things, or not Tweet at all. "Lesser black woman"? Really? Horrifying. Be better and/or Tweet better.
Sure brilliant..Lol no. He is a lawyer who has to go back and explain to everyone what he wrote did not mean what everyone think it meant. No he has lost a very good high profile job because he was unable to clearly communicate in writing. Sure brilliant.
Anonymous
02/02/2022 11:16
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
It’s funny that you see Georgetown as a political actor instead of what it actually is, a law school. And the 3 most important stakeholders in a law school are the administration, the faculty and the students. I think he’s already angered all three by his behavior.
People certainly have free speech, but the legal profession - and particularly legal academia - runs on collegiality. His conduct makes him unfit.
Interesting take. Was his future colleague’s response to his tweet the “collegial” way to respond?
The worst that his future colleagues have done publicly has been to kindly ask him to clarify his views. He has refused to do so and instead has doubled down.
The dean went out in Public to address the matter. Putting himself in the middle of it with the effect to protect him. All he had to do was be gracious. Instead he chose to double down.
He’s lost the students. He can make a public statement that could commit to them that he’s not they guy they think he is and to commit to listening and being inclusive. Instead he’s doubled down.
I keep seeing somone post that “he’s brilliant”. I see very little evidence of that in his behavior. Instead what I see is basically a 4Chan troll in human form.
What’s embarrassing and really hurts Georgetown Laws reputation is not that he’s a racist. What’s worse is that he’s obviously a stupid MFer.
DP (and PP) - this is my take as well. You can either be a fancy Georgetown law professor or an internet troll. At this point, if I'm Georgetown I'm concerned that he's going to embarrass the school further, and also concerned about alienating future students and the DC legal elite.
Anonymous
02/02/2022 06:24
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
It’s funny that you see Georgetown as a political actor instead of what it actually is, a law school. And the 3 most important stakeholders in a law school are the administration, the faculty and the students. I think he’s already angered all three by his behavior.
People certainly have free speech, but the legal profession - and particularly legal academia - runs on collegiality. His conduct makes him unfit.
Interesting take. Was his future colleague’s response to his tweet the “collegial” way to respond?
The worst that his future colleagues have done publicly has been to kindly ask him to clarify his views. He has refused to do so and instead has doubled down.
The dean went out in Public to address the matter. Putting himself in the middle of it with the effect to protect him. All he had to do was be gracious. Instead he chose to double down.
He’s lost the students. He can make a public statement that could commit to them that he’s not they guy they think he is and to commit to listening and being inclusive. Instead he’s doubled down.
I keep seeing somone post that “he’s brilliant”. I see very little evidence of that in his behavior. Instead what I see is basically a 4Chan troll in human form.
What’s embarrassing and really hurts Georgetown Laws reputation is not that he’s a racist. What’s worse is that he’s obviously a stupid MFer.
Anonymous
02/02/2022 02:25
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Ilya's comments (recently and previously about Sotomayor) obviously create the impression that he's a racist.
He can easily clear it all up by clarifying his view on Amy Coney Barrett. Is she also a lesser woman pick because their were obviously more qualified white men & Trump specifically said he was picking her because she's a woman.
And if Ilya thinks that Amy deserves a different analysis than he can obviously explain why.
All he needs to do is speak out and explain his views. Eager minds would love to hear it!
He can easily clear it all up by clarifying his view on Amy Coney Barrett. Is she also a lesser woman pick because their were obviously more qualified white men & Trump specifically said he was picking her because she's a woman.
And if Ilya thinks that Amy deserves a different analysis than he can obviously explain why.
All he needs to do is speak out and explain his views. Eager minds would love to hear it!
Anonymous
02/01/2022 20:50
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
It’s funny that you see Georgetown as a political actor instead of what it actually is, a law school. And the 3 most important stakeholders in a law school are the administration, the faculty and the students. I think he’s already angered all three by his behavior.
People certainly have free speech, but the legal profession - and particularly legal academia - runs on collegiality. His conduct makes him unfit.
Interesting take. Was his future colleague’s response to his tweet the “collegial” way to respond?
Anonymous
02/01/2022 20:34
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
It’s funny that you see Georgetown as a political actor instead of what it actually is, a law school. And the 3 most important stakeholders in a law school are the administration, the faculty and the students. I think he’s already angered all three by his behavior.
People certainly have free speech, but the legal profession - and particularly legal academia - runs on collegiality. His conduct makes him unfit.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 19:20
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Georgetown is in a tough spot. Fire him and both the right and the traditional liberals go bananas over free expression issues and cancel culture. Do nothing and the left goes bananas over racism and how impossible it will be for him to be an effective teacher now that every black woman at the school knows he considers them "lesser."
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
Maybe they shouldn't have hired him in the first place, but he was hired by the faculty director of the center, who is himself a conservative, and the center is at Georgetown but it's funded by outside money.
Putting him on paid admin leave while the university tries to determine if he violated any policies seems like a reasonable compromise.
Anonymous
02/01/2022 13:07
Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I knew him in our 20s. He’s incredibly socially awkward. I don’t understand why he’s managed to get this much prominence and I am completely befuddled as to why Georgetown law hired him
I know him as well. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to smear him this way.
You know he is brilliant. At least admit what you know.
And Georgetown recognizes talent. Plus, Ilya is no racist - if you know him then you know that too.
Not the PP, but what he wrote is very clearly racist. If he's so brilliant and not racist, he can take the time to not Tweet such awful things, or not Tweet at all. "Lesser black woman"? Really? Horrifying. Be better and/or Tweet better.
Anonymous
01/31/2022 18:00
Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:The children of former soviets are some of the worst for this weird autocratic crap. I'm assuming just by his name that Ilya Shapiro falls into that category. It's a toxic soup of paranoia, distrust in government institutions, and the inability to function without having a boot on their neck. Ilya probably needs a big strong rich guy like Koch to tell him what to do.
And then they somehow tie it into them all being the saviors of western civilization...
It's seriously odd. Like some demented boy's fanfiction gone wrong
My friend's in-laws are like this. So weird.
Anonymous