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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

You may choose not to abort a fetus with an abnormality. Other women may make the choice for all of the reasons listed up thread. It’s their choice to make. And screens, while absolutely important, are a privilege and often only available to women with health insurance who can access comprehensive prenatal care. Restricting choice is being anti-choice.

That poster is not advocating for restricting choice but is highlighting ethical concerns. We can have a discussion within pro-choice. We can have a discussion that does NOT restrict choices. However, it is beyond crass to quickly suggest thank god you can still abort downs or disabled babies and maybe examine what that says about society. You can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that. While I believe everyone should have whatever choice they need to make and I do not support women having to give a reason for their abortion (or any other restrictions) I think we need a national conversation about how we view the disabled. Mouthing off of how burdensome it would be to have a downs baby is just awful.

This is perhaps for a different thread.

Mouthing off about how burdensome it is to have a downs child - who is doing that? At the same time, get real. Do you not realize or respect the very significant needs of children with severe disabilities and chromosomal abnormalities? If that bothers you, look to are bizarre health care system and social safety nets that make caring for someone with any type of illness, let alone a severely disabled child, grindingly difficult. Do not dismiss how difficult it is, how expensive, and the extent of sacrifice of caregivers. Sorry that’s not sunshine and rainbows for you, but that’s reality.

It would be nice if people on both sides of the abortion debate would stop saying downs babies. They’re children with Down syndrome, not downs, not down’s. (Unless maybe you’re European but it’s a DC based board and it’s Down syndrome in the US).

It’s a lot of work to have a child. They all come with their challenges. Some kids come with more time consuming and costly challenges than others. Kids with Down syndrome often have other medical issues. It can and does break families. So many people think they’re going to have this always friendly, hugging, happy little kid like they see on TV, or someone like Corky from Life Goes On. You can’t tell the severity or all the complications that will happen until the child is here. People don’t think about puberty and the issues that come with that, and the high risk of abuse among people with disabilities. Even simple things like getting a sitter come with challenges. If people feel like they’re equipped and knowledgeable enough to handle it, fine. But to thrust that onto someone who isn’t equipped to handle it is cruel. It’s already hard to decide what to do, either way, but to be forced into a decision that’s going to bring financial hardship and marital distress as well as the joy of having a child to parents when it’s preventable is extremely cruel. There’s also almost no way they’re not going to require government assistance (which I’m fine with and think there should be more opportunities for that), so it’s also costing taxpayers to force people to have children with disabilities. I’m only bringing that up because it’s such a common theme for conservatives when it’s convenient.

Anonymous wrote:20 weeks is more than enough time to know if you're pregnant, personal accountability

I hope you're not a man.

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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

You may choose not to abort a fetus with an abnormality. Other women may make the choice for all of the reasons listed up thread. It’s their choice to make. And screens, while absolutely important, are a privilege and often only available to women with health insurance who can access comprehensive prenatal care. Restricting choice is being anti-choice.

That poster is not advocating for restricting choice but is highlighting ethical concerns. We can have a discussion within pro-choice. We can have a discussion that does NOT restrict choices. However, it is beyond crass to quickly suggest thank god you can still abort downs or disabled babies and maybe examine what that says about society. You can’t seem to wrap your head around the fact that. While I believe everyone should have whatever choice they need to make and I do not support women having to give a reason for their abortion (or any other restrictions) I think we need a national conversation about how we view the disabled. Mouthing off of how burdensome it would be to have a downs baby is just awful.

This is perhaps for a different thread.

Mouthing off about how burdensome it is to have a downs child - who is doing that? At the same time, get real. Do you not realize or respect the very significant needs of children with severe disabilities and chromosomal abnormalities? If that bothers you, look to are bizarre health care system and social safety nets that make caring for someone with any type of illness, let alone a severely disabled child, grindingly difficult. Do not dismiss how difficult it is, how expensive, and the extent of sacrifice of caregivers. Sorry that’s not sunshine and rainbows for you, but that’s reality.

Here’s more numbers


https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics/statistics-depth

I have a great idea. Let’s eliminate sexual violence of living breathing people first.

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

What percentage of rape victims are being controlled and abused daily by their rapist?
What percentage of rape victims can’t easily access an abortion due to circumstance, like not having a car?
What percentage of rape victims are traumatized and frozen in denial about their situation?

OMG. I would guess 0.0000000000001% of rape victims.
DP

Be embarrassed about your lack of imagination and empathy.

Be embarrassed about your utter leap to hyperbolic heights - as usual.

https://www.womenslaw.org/about-abuse/forms-abuse/sexual-abuse-and-exploitation/marital-partner-rape/basic-info-about-marital

You don’t have to be this way. You can get educated and be better. Do better.

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

What percentage of rape victims are being controlled and abused daily by their rapist?
What percentage of rape victims can’t easily access an abortion due to circumstance, like not having a car?
What percentage of rape victims are traumatized and frozen in denial about their situation?

OMG. I would guess 0.0000000000001% of rape victims.
DP

Be embarrassed about your lack of imagination and empathy.

Be embarrassed about your utter leap to hyperbolic heights - as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

What percentage of rape victims are being controlled and abused daily by their rapist?
What percentage of rape victims can’t easily access an abortion due to circumstance, like not having a car?
What percentage of rape victims are traumatized and frozen in denial about their situation?

OMG. I would guess 0.0000000000001% of rape victims.
DP

Be embarrassed about your lack of imagination and empathy.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

You need to deconflict your talking points with the people claiming this will prevent women raped 5 months earlier from getting abortions.

No, I don’t.

Do you think child victims of rape know they’re pregnant in the first trimester and go get that taken care of quickly? I guess I misspoke in that I said behind late term abortions is a wanted pregnancy - I was thinking of the adult women I know. Either way, I do not support forcing an 11 year old to carry her father’s child to term even if an adult in her life finally finds out she’s pregnant at 23 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:20 weeks is more than enough time to know if you're pregnant, personal accountability

After 20 weeks is often when people learn that a fetus has abnormalities incompatible with life. You should read up on the types of situations that lead women to seek out an abortion after 20 weeks and tell us if you would deny them that possibility.

They don't care, because they are "absolutely sure" God would never let this happen to them.

Once they are bankrupt from a baby that died right after birth anyhow, they may change their minds.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro choice at ten weeks and pro life at 30 weeks. It seems very appropriate for an elected state legislature to define the point at which abortion is no longer permitted.

Ah, you’re one of those ghouls who hates women and knows nothing about pregnancy! Google “late term abortion stories,” read a few and get back to us all.

Every late abortion is a wanted pregnancy. This law is a nightmare.

You need to deconflict your talking points with the people claiming this will prevent women raped 5 months earlier from getting abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

Not sure the percentage but I do recall that case in Argentina of a 11 year old who tried to get one after 19 weeks but was denied and then doctors had to cut her open to remove a 23 week old baby that died.

Why are pro abortion advocates always more concerned about the 11 year old have access to abortion, than concern over the fact that she was ELEVEN and got pregnant--clearly a victim of abuse!

The only lack of concern I see here is coming from someone who would force an 11 year to undergo even MORE trauma and abuse by making her carry her rapist's baby to term and undergo serious abdominal surgery to get it out without killing her.

Having "more" concern over the fact that she was abused than concern that she is about to be victimized all over again by forcing her to carry the pregnancy doesn't do anything to help her. Your concern doesn't do anything to alleviate her victimhood. Giving her an abortion would.

Why are anti-abortion advocates always unconcerned about an 11 year old rape victim being forced to carry her rapists baby to term?

Anonymous wrote:20 weeks is more than enough time to know if you're pregnant, personal accountability

After 20 weeks is often when people learn that a fetus has abnormalities incompatible with life. You should read up on the types of situations that lead women to seek out an abortion after 20 weeks and tell us if you would deny them that possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:Just like Texas!

Texas is 6 weeks. That’s a single missed period.

20 weeks is 5 months.

+1
Not seeing the problem here and I'm pro-choice.

Did you read the thread? Ummm. No. Obviously not.

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Anonymous wrote:This law has a carve out for rape incest and health of the mother… that’s all well and good. When do you find out if your fetus has downs? There are too many issues that can develop later in a pregnancy that can’t be addressed with a 20 week ban.
That’s why it should be between a woman and her health care provider.

Come now, the goal is to prevent abortion of kids with Downs. They are hoping you will put the kid up for adoption so they can scoop him up. Nothing says status like a person that can drop $40k on a disabled kid that requires support for life and keep a wife right at home where she belongs to watch over him.

If you don’t want to give up your flesh and blood, well slut, you’re on your own and it’s up to God to help you now. No one’s going to step in with anything like government support.

Finally the GOP publishes it’s party platform! Thanks for the succinct info.

The way posters write about having downs and/or being disabled is disgusting. You can be pro choice as well as be concerned about the movement to screen out and abort a baby with a disability. Look at how posters describe what it would be to have a disabled child (a burden, a life sentence, a life not worth living or supporting). It is just incredibly sad and awful. This 100% is eugenics. You can support everyone's right to choose but you can also have a discussion on what it says about society and have we gone too far.

Am I the last generation of people with my disorder (yes it is screened for now)? Are the disabled unfit for society? Just get rid of us all? No deaf, no blind, no downs, no autism, no one with spina bifida, no one in wheelchairs, everyone perfect. Perfect babies. Perfect families. Strong society. No diversity.

Have the conversation. Be careful with the knee jerk reaction that everyone who receives a positive downs test would automatically abort or that their life cannot be fulfilling or that their parents wished they were different. I am pro choice, but it's hard for me to listen and read about people making statements about the disabled that are just nasty and mean. We matter. We have worthy lives. We are a part of society.

The Atlantic has this short discussion on this very topic.

https://youtu.be/C5vVBeJWx_w

This country is full of people who can barely handle parenting a “perfect” baby. If a person doesn’t want to give birth to a child with a disability and hen it isn’t my place to force them to. Also I think there is no point in personalizing this. Just because a person makes a private decision to terminate an unwanted pregnancy doesn’t mean that your parent’s decision was wrong or that anyone thinks you don’t have a right to exist or were some kind of misguided mistake.

Live your own life on your own terms. I know that’s what I want for my life and the lives of my family members.

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Anonymous wrote:No exception for rape or incest. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?221+sum+HB1274

Yup, no exceptions. You can read the full text.

Enjoy carrying your rapist’s baby, UVA gals.

What percentage of rape victims wait until after 20 weeks to get an abortion?

What percentage of rape victims are being controlled and abused daily by their rapist?
What percentage of rape victims can’t easily access an abortion due to circumstance, like not having a car?
What percentage of rape victims are traumatized and frozen in denial about their situation?

OMG. I would guess 0.0000000000001% of rape victims.
DP