Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Except the one who lost her baby, who cares about her experience?

She shared her experience, and I shared mine. They are clearly two VERY different experiences. It's good for OP that a lot of people are sharing their experiences on this thread. I think it's what she wanted.

She probably did not want people to be arguing and sharing nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had two emergency c-sections. Either my kids or I would be dead without them, so I don't see any problem.

You can believe whatever you want but you really don't know this to be true. Also, the term "emergency c-section" gets thrown around so much here. Unless you were placed under general anesthesia it wasn't an emergency. Unplanned, yes. Emergency, no.

WTF? You don't know this PP's experience, you don't get to be dismissive about her traumatic experience.

Next.

Anonymous wrote:Every single one of my Brazilian friends the last 30 years has had an elective c-section. There must be something to it.

(From a mom who has had 3 home-births. We have great debates!)

My Brazilian friends all use wet nurses. Are you going to hire someone to breastfeed your baby because there must be something to it?

(Also a mom who has had 3 out of hospital births, including a homebirth)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.

No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.

And again, some more: I never said otherwise, and would never say otherwise.

See the difference? I didn’t say something inaccurate, dismissive, and offensive. Save your objections to things I actually say and points I actually make.

The problem with c-sections is that they are major surgery, and often unnecessary. You don't "just go in and have it done in 15 minutes". I had two, both with infections after and very slow recoveries.

That being said, I can't imagine a vaginal delivery. Sounds like hell to me unless the epidural is timed just right. If you need a c-section, then you need one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Except the one who lost her baby, who cares about her experience?

Can you read? She lost her baby in a failed vaginal gone awry where only the most emergency type c-section could be attempted in what must have been a mad scramble under life or death circumstances. Night and day from a planned section. Her experience is tragic, but that is not a condemnation of c-sections and a c-section without labor, getting stuck, and an attempted vacuum delivery likely would have had a very different result.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.

No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.

All three of my children were born with nuchal cords x2 and x3. It's incredibly common and not at all considered a medical concern. Stop spreading misinformation that leads to fear based maternal medicine.

I'll do it, if you do it!

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Anonymous wrote:Forceps birth for my first after a day of labor left me unable to control my poop for 6 months and with a boatload of scar tissue in my vagina from sidewall tears and a bladder and rectal prolapse that make emptying my rectum impossible so I have to use gloves or enemas on a daily basis now. The scheduled c section I had after that (which had several post op complications) Was so civilized and lovely compared to having a baby ripped out of me with BBQ tongs after purple pushing for hours. My c section scar is invisible now to the naked eye and was done in my pubic hairline. It looks nothing like the picture the PP posted and you cannot see it and there’s only a tiny band of scar tissue I can feel when I palpate the area. oP do the scheduled c section. I did and wish I had done it for my first.

That woman's scar might be sucked in because of adhesions (scar tissue), and you have no idea if your body makes those until it is too late.

Shut up about the adhesions and organs being fused together, crazy lady, LOL

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.

No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.

All three of my children were born with nuchal cords x2 and x3. It's incredibly common and not at all considered a medical concern. Stop spreading misinformation that leads to fear based maternal medicine.

Anonymous wrote:I had two emergency c-sections. Either my kids or I would be dead without them, so I don't see any problem.

You can believe whatever you want but you really don't know this to be true. Also, the term "emergency c-section" gets thrown around so much here. Unless you were placed under general anesthesia it wasn't an emergency. Unplanned, yes. Emergency, no.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Except the one who lost her baby, who cares about her experience?

Did she have a breech baby and planned c-section? No she did not. OP isn't asking about emergency c-sections, she's asking about planned c-sections due to a traumatic vaginal birth. Get off your high horse and go somewhere else. OP should do what's best for her body and her baby.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are fine. I had my first for medical reasons and had a scheduled C for my second by choice.

No, not “they are fine.” They can be fine. And if you had one that you would describe as “fine,” you should be grateful for it, but aware that you got lucky.

The same could be said for women who give birth vaginally. You're lucky your baby didn't die b/c the umbilical cord was wrapped around her neck 3 times yet mom insisted on continuing to push. Yes, I know someone this happened to.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In my case, because the recovery from a c-section would have had to be virtually unmedicated (very bad reaction to most opioid painkillers) and almost entirely unassisted since I delivered during COVID and my spouse had a very short parental leave. So since I wasn’t going to have someone able to hand me the baby, take the baby after nursing, and all of the other challenges of c-section recovery, I really wanted to not have a c-section. My sisters recovery from both of her c-sections were terrible *but* she had my mother and a night nurse to help— two things that were not possible for me during pre-vaccine COVID.

This isn’t a reason c-sections are “bad” it is a reason I didn’t want one. I know people who had scheduled c-sections because their spouses were deploying and they wanted to know on what day baby was arriving— it doesn’t make vaginal birth bad it means they didn’t want one!

I got some kind of long term local anesthetic and orally only got ibuprofen/acetaminophen for my C section. Don't know what was in the local, maybe there was an opioid. How would they even do an epidural on you?

The anesthesiologist used the lowest possible dose of a drug outside the family I have the worst reaction to, and put me on a strong anti-emetic and anti-histamine before the epidural was started. I got the epidural as close to pushing as possible because, had I reacted to the drug and began the traditional unstoppable projectile vomiting, and not been able to push, they might have had to put me under to do a c-section anyway (which, when I woke up, I would have had no option other than Tylenol/Advil for relief from, and all the recovery-unassisted-during-COVID issues). I was really on the fence about whether the epidural was worth the risk but it turned out well for me, and my care team had discussed the risk/benefits and possibilities long before delivery.

But— and I can’t stress this enough— this is why a c-section was bad for *me* as a patient. It has no bearing on whether a c-section is bad for anyone else. Reading this thread there are plenty of people who a c-section could be bad for, but in this thread as in real life there are people vaginal birth is bad for. I genuinely don’t think women in this area are walking into L&D and asking for elective c-sections because Kim Kardashian had one or demanding vaginal births because they’re trending on TikTok— we are a very well educated population and for the most part have well informed preferences. We just never seem to give one another the respect to assume we know what we’re talking about when it comes to our own bodies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's no problem with c-sections, it's just that a bunch of sanctimonious holier-than-thou women want to find a way to feel like they are better than someone else, so they say pushed a baby out of their vagina and that makes them a better mom.

I had two c-sections b/c my babies were breech. I had two VERY easy recoveries. I didn't tear and don't pee when I laugh or sneeze, I consider this a HUGE WIN over everyone I know that gave birth vaginally, LOL! Really the only downside is the scar, but it's covered even with the smallest bikini.

Except the one who lost her baby, who cares about her experience?

She lost her baby because it was trapped due to a failed vaginal delivery and an emergency C couldn't save it. OP is asking about a planned C-section. That PP's post stands out as the most "definitely go for the planned c-section" anecdote in the whole thread.

Anonymous wrote:I had two vaginal births and all my friends and both my SILs had c-sections.

Cons: 1) it's real, serious surgery and it hurts like h*ll after and the recovery is a PITA. I went for a 2 miles walk probably 3 days after I had my second and they couldn't even move. If you have a ton of help and someone talking care of the baby 24/7 while you recover, it's not bad. If you don't, it's hard. 2) All of them ended up with funky looking stomachs, even my brother's wife, who is rail thin. 3) scars 4) babies are more prone to autoimmune issues 5) one SIL ended up with some uterine scarring. Statistically, this could be why some have a harder time conceiving after.

"Previous peer-reviewed research, by multiple authors, has identified links between C-section and negative health outcomes in children, including obesity, asthma and autism. For example, studies have shown that delivery by C-section increases a child's risk for obesity by age 5 by an astounding 55%." IMO, his could be that the moms are already sicker and obese and therefore requiring a c-section, so the offspring are not that healthy, so it might not be the surgery itself, but who knows.

Pros (HUGE): pelvic floor health and stress urinary incontinence



https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20130211/c-section-formula-may-disrupt-good-gut-bacteria-in-babies#1

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200709141545.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201104131520.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181219093903.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160223074738.htm

p.s. This lady is the classic example of the sanctimony type who wants to think she's better than everybody b/c she didn't have a C. Lady, some of us are just glad to have babies who are alive. Go take your stupid ass bullshit somewhere else.