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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

You know, when people post that they want a scheduled c-section by choice, no one says “ok but when push comes to shove you have a higher maternal mortality risk. You might be dead but your baby will survive so its not the end of the world!” It would be nice to assume that the poster isn’t on DCUM from under a rock somewhere and is aware that in an emergency her preferred birth may not be possible.

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People definitely question/criticize women who opt for c-sections. Note: most of us have a legit medical reason for the scheduled c-section btw.

Additionally, the original post asks about hospital rates instead of doctor rates. If that isn’t a red flag that she’s marching in the wrong direction, …

Except you also choose your doctor based on where they deliver. A hospital set up for vaginal birth has nurses who are trained in positioning, pain relief, etc. the nurses at INOVA Fairfax take Spinning Babies classes. It’s not a stupid question.

All hospitals are set up for vaginal births. It’s literally Plan A.

Oy vey.

Yes, but not all hospitals have the same facilities for vaginal birth— tubs vs showers, waterproof or mobile monitoring on demand, nurses who take courses in positioning….acting like the OP is somehow misguided for doing this research is condescending. Even hospitals with good setups might tell you they don’t have waterproof fetal monitors available…so what’s the point of that spa shower?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

You know, when people post that they want a scheduled c-section by choice, no one says “ok but when push comes to shove you have a higher maternal mortality risk. You might be dead but your baby will survive so its not the end of the world!” It would be nice to assume that the poster isn’t on DCUM from under a rock somewhere and is aware that in an emergency her preferred birth may not be possible.

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People definitely question/criticize women who opt for c-sections. Note: most of us have a legit medical reason for the scheduled c-section btw.

Additionally, the original post asks about hospital rates instead of doctor rates. If that isn’t a red flag that she’s marching in the wrong direction, …

Except you also choose your doctor based on where they deliver. A hospital set up for vaginal birth has nurses who are trained in positioning, pain relief, etc. the nurses at INOVA Fairfax take Spinning Babies classes. It’s not a stupid question.

All hospitals are set up for vaginal births. It’s literally Plan A.

Oy vey.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

You know, when people post that they want a scheduled c-section by choice, no one says “ok but when push comes to shove you have a higher maternal mortality risk. You might be dead but your baby will survive so its not the end of the world!” It would be nice to assume that the poster isn’t on DCUM from under a rock somewhere and is aware that in an emergency her preferred birth may not be possible.

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People definitely question/criticize women who opt for c-sections. Note: most of us have a legit medical reason for the scheduled c-section btw.

Additionally, the original post asks about hospital rates instead of doctor rates. If that isn’t a red flag that she’s marching in the wrong direction, …

Except you also choose your doctor based on where they deliver. A hospital set up for vaginal birth has nurses who are trained in positioning, pain relief, etc. the nurses at INOVA Fairfax take Spinning Babies classes. It’s not a stupid question.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

You know, when people post that they want a scheduled c-section by choice, no one says “ok but when push comes to shove you have a higher maternal mortality risk. You might be dead but your baby will survive so its not the end of the world!” It would be nice to assume that the poster isn’t on DCUM from under a rock somewhere and is aware that in an emergency her preferred birth may not be possible.

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People definitely question/criticize women who opt for c-sections. Note: most of us have a legit medical reason for the scheduled c-section btw.

Additionally, the original post asks about hospital rates instead of doctor rates. If that isn’t a red flag that she’s marching in the wrong direction, …

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

You know, when people post that they want a scheduled c-section by choice, no one says “ok but when push comes to shove you have a higher maternal mortality risk. You might be dead but your baby will survive so its not the end of the world!” It would be nice to assume that the poster isn’t on DCUM from under a rock somewhere and is aware that in an emergency her preferred birth may not be possible.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I delivered at a high c section rate hospital with Kaiser. With 3 extremely long 35+ hour inductions they never once mentioned c section. As long as the baby is tolerating labor and nothing is going wrong, they’ll let you go as long as possible. I have a lot of friends who got csections for failure to progress. That’s their choice more so than them being forced. Don’t gain excessive amounts and stay active if you want the best chance. But ultimately it’s not totally your decision.

If you had truly been healthy during your pregnancies, you wouldn’t have needed the inductions in the first place.

Anonymous wrote:I delivered at a high c section rate hospital with Kaiser. With 3 extremely long 35+ hour inductions they never once mentioned c section. As long as the baby is tolerating labor and nothing is going wrong, they’ll let you go as long as possible. I have a lot of friends who got csections for failure to progress. That’s their choice more so than them being forced. Don’t gain excessive amounts and stay active if you want the best chance. But ultimately it’s not totally your decision.

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Anonymous wrote:The WHO target rate of 15 percent is made up. It is not evidence based. And it has been debunked thoroughly. Countries who have this rate have high levels of maternal and infant mortality. Please stop furthering this tired, incorrect, and outdated statistic like gospel. It’s damaging and irresponsible.

What is your evidence for this assertion?

https://www.skepticalob.com/2018/05/the-whos-

Marsden Wagner made the number up in 1985. Gawande and the insufferable Neel Shah who is a midwife wannabe and total vaginal birth nut determined an optimal rate is 19 percent or higher. Doh.

Interesting, but it has a fatal design error: what about taking into account complications to future pregnancies? It is safer for that particular baby to be born via c section, not safer for baby #2 and certainly not safer for mom to be collecting multiple c sections.

Yeah but having two planned C sections is pretty reasonable and low risk. If women want more kids than sure, risks go up but for one or two deliveries to
be C section risks are pretty low.

But many women want more than two, or don’t know for sure how many they will want. Which is why the recommendation to avoid primary cesarean.

Yeah except in the DMV among UMC most people are having 1-2 kids at 35 plus.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

The issue is hospitals promoting the C-section when not required.

Omg hospitals don’t force you to have a c section. And while your birth preference may be for vaginal birth, you may need a C section unless you’d like to be permanently injured, have a dead baby, or a baby with oxygen deprivation or brain damage, or shred your pelvic floor or tear into yourself anal sphincter. Choose a provider you trust to deliver you and your child through birth and trust their judgement. You are not the expert, your provider is. Trust them.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

The issue is hospitals promoting the C-section when not required.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.

Just know that regardless of the hospital, your "choice as a woman" may not be an option when push comes to shove. It's not the end of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate how every thread where someone asks for information to support a birth choice they’re making freely (not being coerced uninformed into) gets derailed by one extremely anti-vaginal birth poster. The OP is entitled to the information she asks for even if you think vaginal birth is the devil and we should all have mandatory c-sections.

OP here, thank you. My choice as a woman is to have a vaginal birth. I’m asking specifically about hospitals rates.