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Anonymous wrote:The “surprises” being UT, Boston U & U Miami? At least for UM, they started wealthy.

But, for the right students, UM has pretty good academics and is spectacular for helping students perfect golfing, tennis, boating, football appreciation and people skills.

If you want a wealthy kid, a so so bachelor’s degree plus a good golf game, an attractive face, a pleasing disposition and the ability to navigate a fraternity party beat the hell out of having a National Merit scholarship and a law degree without the good golf game and the ability to navigate the fraternity party.

One thing that’s shocking to me about this forum is the parents who are obsessed with education ROI but who apparently haven’t taught their kids to play golf or tennis, or to sail, and who haven’t thought at all about rush. If your kids can’t play golf, sail or play tennis, and they aren’t social enough to handle a fraternity party, you’ve pretty much slammed the door on them becoming truly wealthy through any route other than a dot-com miracle.

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Anonymous wrote:UT Austin, Michigan, UVA, Miami and Boston are surprises to me. And NYU being so high is also a bit unexpected, though not entirely surprising.

Why are people surprised by UT-Austin? Texas and California consistently have the highest rates of millionaires and billionaires in the country. Many of these uber rich families send their kids to UT and have for generations. Tons of trust fund kids in Austin grow up to be wealthy. Not a huge revelation.
I'm always surprised by how east coasters underestimate (or thumb their noses at?) the wealth in Texas.

Anonymous wrote:How much did the school have to do with any of this? The inheritors would have been rich regardless of where they went to school. The ones that were driven to give Wall Street a shot could have gone somewhere else to further those ambitions. The more deciding factor was that they had that career ambition.

Anonymous wrote:The “surprises” being UT, Boston U & U Miami? At least for UM, they started wealthy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame is the only real surprise on that list for me, particularly given that I think of it as a school that places a lot of grads in the midwest, where salaries tend to be lower.

Austin produces a lot of STEM degrees, I think. Berkeley was well, plus places a lot of grads in the Bay Area, where salaries are very high.
Miami and USC have a lot of richie rich kids that get jobs in the family business.
NYU places most grads in NYC, which has the highest salaries in the US.

No doesn’t surprise me at all. Huge endowment and many wealthy legacies.

Agree, a perfect example of kids who are just coming in from privilege and then returning to that privilege with the stamp of approval from a name brand school. ND isn't even that hard to get into if you are a wealthy Catholic because you can boost your odds significantly by sending them to a highly regarded Catholic high school. It's like a sneaky backdoor way of easing your kid's admission to an "elite" school.

Why is it sneaky? I know lots of kids in my DS's Catholic HS that were not admitted. Being committed to Catholic education, however, doesn't hurt you if trying to get into a school like Notre Dame, but it is not the only thing they are looking for obviously.

Sounds like you are bitter.

Lol at being bitter about not going to ND -- why would a non-Catholic with good grades want to move to South Bend and hang out with drunk former alter boys for 4 years?

My family is mostly non-religious.
My kid is attending a protestant church with friends.
(kind of like half religious and half socializing)
My kid will choose between Notre Dame(already got in) and Georgetown(waiting).
Very coincidentally, both are Catholic based colleges, but that was not a factor at all when make a college list.      

The kid picked a list of schools based on the field of study and the school itself.
The Kid wanted a school with an undergraduate business program. 
The Kid doesn't want a cutthroat competitive or stressful level of schools: In my kids view - UPenn Wharton, MIT Sloan, or Cornell Dyson.
(yes the kid probably didn't have a good chance anyways)
   
There are a few great public undergraduate business schools like Berkeley Haas, Michigan Ross, UVA McIntire, UNC Kenaan,
but you have to apply again to a business program in 2nd or 3rd year for those public schools.  Big added risk. 
Also if given a choice, didn't want to go to a huge public school.  

The kid liked Vanderbilt, but it doesn't have dedicated undergraduate business program.
So that leaves a handful of schools that my kid would consider - WashU, Rice, CMU, USC, Emory, Georgetown, and Notre Dame.  .  
Among these all things considered, The kid liked Georgetown and Notre Dame the most but leaning more toward Notre Dame.

The school itself is great, student caring and support is great, and most of all the business program is top notch with excellent opportunities.
School spirit and alumni network is a big plus for business students.  The school is great for both finance and consulting
- https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools
- https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools 
- https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking

The kid wanted to go to a school in a city environment, so one downside would be the location,
but it's at least better than locations like Dartmouth or Cornell with populations 8,000 and 30,000, and Chicago is 1.5 hour away. 
All the upside dwarfs this one downside.  

I think the school is a great fit for my kid. 
So that's one reason why a non-Catholic with good grades would want to go to Notre Dame.
I hope you learned something and I'm sorry if your kid got denied, but I'm sure your kid would also find a good school that fits.

I hope you realize 82% of students at Norte Dame are Catholic and 2 religion classes are required. If your child comes from a non religious family and never attended Catholic school and not attends a Protestant youth group, it is going to be a very big adjustment for your child because they will be an outsider.

According to some of the non-Catholic alumnis, The 2 religion classe (Theology) can be viewed as more like philosophy, church history, and the bible as a literature.
It's a higher education institution. It's not going to be like a bible study at a local church for middle schoolers.

My kid is already attending a protestant church, and I think in fact it's a good opportunity to have an exposure to a different perspective in terms of Christianity. 
College kids are college kids. They drink and party.  My kid actually likes the fact that the social life is mainly centered around dorm life instead of Greek and sorority type.
Also likes the school spirit around its football team and stuff.  The kid's main focus will be education in the field of business.  

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Huh?

Was trying to make a connection as to why NYU ranks high in ROI (in another list they are #5). I did not attend NYU and neither did oldest DC who attended a top school on this list. Youngest DC considering NYU among many schools, but is way off making a decision.

However NYU is a very popular option at both my DC’s private schools in DC. They hold the most real estate of any university in the US and in the most expensive city.

NYU Grads I have met loved it. On the other hand, I have met quite a few people who attended schools that are much higher ranked who were not happy with their undergrad experiences (Harvard, Yale, Berkeley) . I are just as much about my DC’s mental health and happiness as future earnings.