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Anonymous wrote:I think about quitting every few weeks but I am a single parent so I can't. It's been wonderful to be in person this year but the behaviors are just so out there. It is draining. We found out today that we are getting a half day on December 23rd and I felt such relief that I almost cried. Lots of teachers are on the edge.

Would you mind elaborating? I hear this a lot - that students are not well behaved this year and the class is hard to control. But why do you think that is? I know it probably has something to do with the stress of covid (sick family members, job loss, routine changes etc) but what do you think in particular is causing this? Also why is it that teachers all want to quit? Asking not to criticize but to see what we should be advocating for (I know better salaries of course but trying to understand what else). What about student behavior? What do students need for things to get better?

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- a chair thrown at another kid

- threatening to stab someone with scissors

- humming to soothe herself (distracting to everyone else in the room, but it's supposed to be ok)

- a few who can't focus because they are hungry or there are major problems at home.

- a few IEP's in one room with one support staff for all of them.

Sounds like a treat doesn't it?? This was ds's classroom one year. I saw the chair being thrown. The humming was over the top distracting.

Somehow in all of this the teacher was supposed to teach. What a fricken zoo. That teacher lasted 8 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I think about quitting every few weeks but I am a single parent so I can't. It's been wonderful to be in person this year but the behaviors are just so out there. It is draining. We found out today that we are getting a half day on December 23rd and I felt such relief that I almost cried. Lots of teachers are on the edge.

Would you mind elaborating? I hear this a lot - that students are not well behaved this year and the class is hard to control. But why do you think that is? I know it probably has something to do with the stress of covid (sick family members, job loss, routine changes etc) but what do you think in particular is causing this? Also why is it that teachers all want to quit? Asking not to criticize but to see what we should be advocating for (I know better salaries of course but trying to understand what else). What about student behavior? What do students need for things to get better?

It's far beyond "not well behaved" and "hard to control". Listen, in my school we have a kindergarten room that has regularly needed 3-4 additional adults in the room because so many kids are displaying behaviors similar to what you might see in a psychiatric facility for children. I don't know what the hell happened when kids were home, but it wasn't anything good. Teachers want to quit it is emotionally and physically exhausting. Honestly, what students and schools need? No one will ever be willing to pay for.

Well many of these kids had both parents working outside the home and were entrusted to a MS or HS kid who has their own DL to do. And were plopped in front of a screen 7 hours a day. It’s like teachers don’t get that FCPS is 1/3 FARMS. They seem to believe every parent has a SAHM who could sit their with their kid and do school all day.

What happened at home? Parents were doing their jobs, dealing with multiple kids, dealing with elderly parents, cobbling together sunstandard childcare on a day to days basis, losing jobs, getting sick, being evicted….

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Here are a few reasons.

3, 5,6 and 13 are the ones that get me contemplating quitting....MS teacher.

I am sorry.
For #6, the being labeled as a babysitter- it always seems a bit odd to me that teachers are so offended by this. It's wrong, but is it such a terrible misperception?

Yes, it is.

Why? It's pretty insulting to child care workers that someone would be so aghast that you are a child care worker (even if I agree you aren't).

Because they aren’t. You can be disingenuous and pretend not to understand why, but you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain.

NP. I don’t get teachers position on this eithet. SOMEONE needs to be caring for children the 7 hours a day they are legally required to be in school. Who is that person, if not their teachers? I’m talking about ES school here, especially K-2. Not HS math teachers. I genuinely don’t see why you would be insulted. Caring for 25 kids with different needs at the same time while teaching them something is hard. There are day I find caring for two kids hard. And parents put a lot of trust in the people who take care of their children.

So what if not not every part of your job requires a teaching degree (although I would hope you need child development classes to teacher at the ES level). I’m a lawyer, but not every part of my job requires a JD. In any given day, I’m also a Data Entry Clerk and a Manager and a Social Worker, none of which are strictly legal functions. And they certainly aren’t taught in law school or tested ion the bar. Any highly skilled job requires you to wear multiple hats. How can you possibly argue one of those hats for teacher s isn’t child care?

It’s very jarring for parents to have teachers insist their role is teaching and not childcare — as if their job isn’t both. Amd, it’s scary to think that teachers don’t believe they are responsible for the physical and emotional safety of kids during the school days and social emotional learning. That teachers don’t think it’s their job to provide structure and boundaries and create a safe environment that kids can depend on. Of course they do— or they should. And teachers insistence that this isn’t their job is contributing to the toxicity in the discourse between parents and teachers. Because no parent wants to entrust the care of their kid to someone who doesn’t take that childcare role seriously. I certainly don’t. And I resent that teachers don’t take this seriously. The 3 Rs are very important. But teachers doing the childcare element well is essential to kids well being.

In related news, it’s also weird that teachers are so offended by being call public servants. I’m a Fed. And I’m really proud that I’m a public servant. Almost
all feds are. It feels good to have a job about more than a corporation’s bottom line.

So yes, teachers are part childcare worker. And the only people who don’t view that as very important work are apparently teachers. Who are apparently too important to take care of the kids sitting in their classroom all day..SMH. And they

I am a lawyer who has been subbing when possible at my kids’ school because they cannot find subs. You have no idea. Teachers have such a hard job. It makes my lawyer job sitting at the computer and typing stuff look like okay. If we don’t figure out how to support teachers better, we won’t have any good ones left. Stop calling them childcare workers if they don’t like it. They are professionals who deserve respect. No one would ever call you a data clerk and you know it.

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Here are a few reasons.

3, 5,6 and 13 are the ones that get me contemplating quitting....MS teacher.

I am sorry.
For #6, the being labeled as a babysitter- it always seems a bit odd to me that teachers are so offended by this. It's wrong, but is it such a terrible misperception?

Yes, it is.

Why? It's pretty insulting to child care workers that someone would be so aghast that you are a child care worker (even if I agree you aren't).

Because they aren’t. You can be disingenuous and pretend not to understand why, but you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain.

NP. I don’t get teachers position on this eithet. SOMEONE needs to be caring for children the 7 hours a day they are legally required to be in school. Who is that person, if not their teachers? I’m talking about ES school here, especially K-2. Not HS math teachers. I genuinely don’t see why you would be insulted. Caring for 25 kids with different needs at the same time while teaching them something is hard. There are day I find caring for two kids hard. And parents put a lot of trust in the people who take care of their children.

So what if not not every part of your job requires a teaching degree (although I would hope you need child development classes to teacher at the ES level). I’m a lawyer, but not every part of my job requires a JD. In any given day, I’m also a Data Entry Clerk and a Manager and a Social Worker, none of which are strictly legal functions. And they certainly aren’t taught in law school or tested ion the bar. Any highly skilled job requires you to wear multiple hats. How can you possibly argue one of those hats for teacher s isn’t child care?

It’s very jarring for parents to have teachers insist their role is teaching and not childcare — as if their job isn’t both. Amd, it’s scary to think that teachers don’t believe they are responsible for the physical and emotional safety of kids during the school days and social emotional learning. That teachers don’t think it’s their job to provide structure and boundaries and create a safe environment that kids can depend on. Of course they do— or they should. And teachers insistence that this isn’t their job is contributing to the toxicity in the discourse between parents and teachers. Because no parent wants to entrust the care of their kid to someone who doesn’t take that childcare role seriously. I certainly don’t. And I resent that teachers don’t take this seriously. The 3 Rs are very important. But teachers doing the childcare element well is essential to kids well being.

In related news, it’s also weird that teachers are so offended by being call public servants. I’m a Fed. And I’m really proud that I’m a public servant. Almost
all feds are. It feels good to have a job about more than a corporation’s bottom line.

So yes, teachers are part childcare worker. And the only people who don’t view that as very important work are apparently teachers. Who are apparently too important to take care of the kids sitting in their classroom all day..SMH. And they

I suspect you aren’t required to wear as many hats at your job as your standard elementary school teacher. They need to be content specialists, presenters, curriculum planners, librarians, coaches, tech experts, data analysis workers, health aides, social workers, substitute teachers, and counselors… often simultaneously. As for the child care component of their jobs, they often fill all of these roles with 25-30 students in a class. I doubt your standard child care facility is allowed to have an child to adult ratio that high. Yes, *somebody* has to take care of young children during the work day, but since “child care expert” is merely one of the MANY responsibilities placed on an elementary school teacher, I can see why they get frustrated. It doesn’t acknowledge the size of their caseload.

I teach high school so my situation is very different. I have great respect for elementary teachers simply because they are able to do so much in a day and still stand at the end.

I used to have great respect ES teachers. But the “I’m not an essential worker,” “how dare you call me a public servant,” “childcare isn’t my job” rhetoric has really eroded that respect.

There is a BIG difference between saying “childcare is one component,, and teachers have a lot on their plate” and saying “childcare isn’t my job,” which is what teachers on here are saying. Many of us view childcare as the most important piece for young kids, because kids who don’t feel safe and cared for can’t learn effectively. It takes a lot f gall to say that isnt part of your job AND you need a raise.

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Here are a few reasons.

3, 5,6 and 13 are the ones that get me contemplating quitting....MS teacher.

I am sorry.
For #6, the being labeled as a babysitter- it always seems a bit odd to me that teachers are so offended by this. It's wrong, but is it such a terrible misperception?

Yes, it is.

Why? It's pretty insulting to child care workers that someone would be so aghast that you are a child care worker (even if I agree you aren't).

Because they aren’t. You can be disingenuous and pretend not to understand why, but you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain.

NP. I don’t get teachers position on this eithet. SOMEONE needs to be caring for children the 7 hours a day they are legally required to be in school. Who is that person, if not their teachers? I’m talking about ES school here, especially K-2. Not HS math teachers. I genuinely don’t see why you would be insulted. Caring for 25 kids with different needs at the same time while teaching them something is hard. There are day I find caring for two kids hard. And parents put a lot of trust in the people who take care of their children.

So what if not not every part of your job requires a teaching degree (although I would hope you need child development classes to teacher at the ES level). I’m a lawyer, but not every part of my job requires a JD. In any given day, I’m also a Data Entry Clerk and a Manager and a Social Worker, none of which are strictly legal functions. And they certainly aren’t taught in law school or tested ion the bar. Any highly skilled job requires you to wear multiple hats. How can you possibly argue one of those hats for teacher s isn’t child care?

It’s very jarring for parents to have teachers insist their role is teaching and not childcare — as if their job isn’t both. Amd, it’s scary to think that teachers don’t believe they are responsible for the physical and emotional safety of kids during the school days and social emotional learning. That teachers don’t think it’s their job to provide structure and boundaries and create a safe environment that kids can depend on. Of course they do— or they should. And teachers insistence that this isn’t their job is contributing to the toxicity in the discourse between parents and teachers. Because no parent wants to entrust the care of their kid to someone who doesn’t take that childcare role seriously. I certainly don’t. And I resent that teachers don’t take this seriously. The 3 Rs are very important. But teachers doing the childcare element well is essential to kids well being.

In related news, it’s also weird that teachers are so offended by being call public servants. I’m a Fed. And I’m really proud that I’m a public servant. Almost
all feds are. It feels good to have a job about more than a corporation’s bottom line.

So yes, teachers are part childcare worker. And the only people who don’t view that as very important work are apparently teachers. Who are apparently too important to take care of the kids sitting in their classroom all day..SMH. And they

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Here are a few reasons.

3, 5,6 and 13 are the ones that get me contemplating quitting....MS teacher.

I am sorry.
For #6, the being labeled as a babysitter- it always seems a bit odd to me that teachers are so offended by this. It's wrong, but is it such a terrible misperception?

Yes, it is.

Why? It's pretty insulting to child care workers that someone would be so aghast that you are a child care worker (even if I agree you aren't).

Because they aren’t. You can be disingenuous and pretend not to understand why, but you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain.

NP. I don’t get teachers position on this eithet. SOMEONE needs to be caring for children the 7 hours a day they are legally required to be in school. Who is that person, if not their teachers? I’m talking about ES school here, especially K-2. Not HS math teachers. I genuinely don’t see why you would be insulted. Caring for 25 kids with different needs at the same time while teaching them something is hard. There are day I find caring for two kids hard. And parents put a lot of trust in the people who take care of their children.

So what if not not every part of your job requires a teaching degree (although I would hope you need child development classes to teacher at the ES level). I’m a lawyer, but not every part of my job requires a JD. In any given day, I’m also a Data Entry Clerk and a Manager and a Social Worker, none of which are strictly legal functions. And they certainly aren’t taught in law school or tested ion the bar. Any highly skilled job requires you to wear multiple hats. How can you possibly argue one of those hats for teacher s isn’t child care?

It’s very jarring for parents to have teachers insist their role is teaching and not childcare — as if their job isn’t both. Amd, it’s scary to think that teachers don’t believe they are responsible for the physical and emotional safety of kids during the school days and social emotional learning. That teachers don’t think it’s their job to provide structure and boundaries and create a safe environment that kids can depend on. Of course they do— or they should. And teachers insistence that this isn’t their job is contributing to the toxicity in the discourse between parents and teachers. Because no parent wants to entrust the care of their kid to someone who doesn’t take that childcare role seriously. I certainly don’t. And I resent that teachers don’t take this seriously. The 3 Rs are very important. But teachers doing the childcare element well is essential to kids well being.

In related news, it’s also weird that teachers are so offended by being call public servants. I’m a Fed. And I’m really proud that I’m a public servant. Almost
all feds are. It feels good to have a job about more than a corporation’s bottom line.

So yes, teachers are part childcare worker. And the only people who don’t view that as very important work are apparently teachers. Who are apparently too important to take care of the kids sitting in their classroom all day..SMH. And they

I suspect you aren’t required to wear as many hats at your job as your standard elementary school teacher. They need to be content specialists, presenters, curriculum planners, librarians, coaches, tech experts, data analysis workers, health aides, social workers, substitute teachers, and counselors… often simultaneously. As for the child care component of their jobs, they often fill all of these roles with 25-30 students in a class. I doubt your standard child care facility is allowed to have an child to adult ratio that high. Yes, *somebody* has to take care of young children during the work day, but since “child care expert” is merely one of the MANY responsibilities placed on an elementary school teacher, I can see why they get frustrated. It doesn’t acknowledge the size of their caseload.

I teach high school so my situation is very different. I have great respect for elementary teachers simply because they are able to do so much in a day and still stand at the end.

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Anonymous wrote:How could anyone have predicted that closing schools for 12-18 months would have negative consequences? Oh wait...

Seriously. I don't understand why the schools and teachers thought the kids were going to be ok. News Flash: They're not ok.

Why is it the responsibility of the school to “help and/or fix” them, that is the parents primary responsibility.

Hmmm, because they broke them by remaining closed well after most workplaces opened back up? Kids were left alone and still expected to complete academic work. Because the pandemic showed the true dysfunction of the public school system and the safety backstops which had been reliant on open school buildings were suddenly gone from so many who depended on them?

Because parents love and want the best for their kids but if your life is built around the legally obligated reality that your child has to be in a school building for 6+ hours a day, then, well it takes a lot to transition to another plan when suddenly that building closes. Fair enough. When it’s clear that you are caught in the middle of a battle between the BOEs and teachers unions, you lose the ability to cope through that transition. Only to be forced to transition again even though most businesses, bars, restaurants and federal IC buildings are open for business as usual?

Schools play a vital role in our community. More than education. Or they did until they made it clear they only want to provide education whether or not anyone learns and aren’t responsible for any of the other roles they’ve played in the past.

This must be the parent of the kid who asked me to go the safe space this week because someone said something really mean to her (dixit).

Lmfao

I am entertained when rich parents refuse to pay for child care or find a way to support their kids during the day. These same parents are still working at home.

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Anonymous wrote:I think about quitting every few weeks but I am a single parent so I can't. It's been wonderful to be in person this year but the behaviors are just so out there. It is draining. We found out today that we are getting a half day on December 23rd and I felt such relief that I almost cried. Lots of teachers are on the edge.

Would you mind elaborating? I hear this a lot - that students are not well behaved this year and the class is hard to control. But why do you think that is? I know it probably has something to do with the stress of covid (sick family members, job loss, routine changes etc) but what do you think in particular is causing this? Also why is it that teachers all want to quit? Asking not to criticize but to see what we should be advocating for (I know better salaries of course but trying to understand what else). What about student behavior? What do students need for things to get better?

It's far beyond "not well behaved" and "hard to control". Listen, in my school we have a kindergarten room that has regularly needed 3-4 additional adults in the room because so many kids are displaying behaviors similar to what you might see in a psychiatric facility for children. I don't know what the hell happened when kids were home, but it wasn't anything good. Teachers want to quit it is emotionally and physically exhausting. Honestly, what students and schools need? No one will ever be willing to pay for.

Well many of these kids had both parents working outside the home and were entrusted to a MS or HS kid who has their own DL to do. And were plopped in front of a screen 7 hours a day. It’s like teachers don’t get that FCPS is 1/3 FARMS. They seem to believe every parent has a SAHM who could sit their with their kid and do school all day.

What happened at home? Parents were doing their jobs, dealing with multiple kids, dealing with elderly parents, cobbling together sunstandard childcare on a day to days basis, losing jobs, getting sick, being evicted….

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Here are a few reasons.

3, 5,6 and 13 are the ones that get me contemplating quitting....MS teacher.

I am sorry.
For #6, the being labeled as a babysitter- it always seems a bit odd to me that teachers are so offended by this. It's wrong, but is it such a terrible misperception?

Yes, it is.

Why? It's pretty insulting to child care workers that someone would be so aghast that you are a child care worker (even if I agree you aren't).

Because they aren’t. You can be disingenuous and pretend not to understand why, but you aren’t fooling anyone with a brain.

NP. I don’t get teachers position on this eithet. SOMEONE needs to be caring for children the 7 hours a day they are legally required to be in school. Who is that person, if not their teachers? I’m talking about ES school here, especially K-2. Not HS math teachers. I genuinely don’t see why you would be insulted. Caring for 25 kids with different needs at the same time while teaching them something is hard. There are day I find caring for two kids hard. And parents put a lot of trust in the people who take care of their children.

So what if not not every part of your job requires a teaching degree (although I would hope you need child development classes to teacher at the ES level). I’m a lawyer, but not every part of my job requires a JD. In any given day, I’m also a Data Entry Clerk and a Manager and a Social Worker, none of which are strictly legal functions. And they certainly aren’t taught in law school or tested ion the bar. Any highly skilled job requires you to wear multiple hats. How can you possibly argue one of those hats for teacher s isn’t child care?

It’s very jarring for parents to have teachers insist their role is teaching and not childcare — as if their job isn’t both. Amd, it’s scary to think that teachers don’t believe they are responsible for the physical and emotional safety of kids during the school days and social emotional learning. That teachers don’t think it’s their job to provide structure and boundaries and create a safe environment that kids can depend on. Of course they do— or they should. And teachers insistence that this isn’t their job is contributing to the toxicity in the discourse between parents and teachers. Because no parent wants to entrust the care of their kid to someone who doesn’t take that childcare role seriously. I certainly don’t. And I resent that teachers don’t take this seriously. The 3 Rs are very important. But teachers doing the childcare element well is essential to kids well being.

In related news, it’s also weird that teachers are so offended by being call public servants. I’m a Fed. And I’m really proud that I’m a public servant. Almost
all feds are. It feels good to have a job about more than a corporation’s bottom line.

So yes, teachers are part childcare worker. And the only people who don’t view that as very important work are apparently teachers. Who are apparently too important to take care of the kids sitting in their classroom all day..SMH. And they

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Anonymous wrote:I think about quitting every few weeks but I am a single parent so I can't. It's been wonderful to be in person this year but the behaviors are just so out there. It is draining. We found out today that we are getting a half day on December 23rd and I felt such relief that I almost cried. Lots of teachers are on the edge.

Would you mind elaborating? I hear this a lot - that students are not well behaved this year and the class is hard to control. But why do you think that is? I know it probably has something to do with the stress of covid (sick family members, job loss, routine changes etc) but what do you think in particular is causing this? Also why is it that teachers all want to quit? Asking not to criticize but to see what we should be advocating for (I know better salaries of course but trying to understand what else). What about student behavior? What do students need for things to get better?

It's far beyond "not well behaved" and "hard to control". Listen, in my school we have a kindergarten room that has regularly needed 3-4 additional adults in the room because so many kids are displaying behaviors similar to what you might see in a psychiatric facility for children. I don't know what the hell happened when kids were home, but it wasn't anything good. Teachers want to quit it is emotionally and physically exhausting. Honestly, what students and schools need? No one will ever be willing to pay for.