Anonymous wrote:I taught community college (political science) for eight years pre-covid. Plagiarism was rampant among a certain percentage of students. Prob 30%-40%. Maybe more now.

Some of these students lacked direction or motivation. (They should not have been in college at all but their parents pressured them.) Others didn't receive the education they deserved in high school and just panicked. I had students who graduated HS with straight As who could not write a complete sentence.

Grade inflation is very, very real. And it does nothing but harm kids.

plagiarism as in taking a thesis from a journal article or other publication and rewording it (lots of synonyms) and reordering it to be your thesis?

my kids complain that a lot of their private school peers do this when creating thesis for history or literature papers.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure source, if someone knows, I’d love to see. This is the problem, there is no way, if true, that there isn’t rampant grade inflation. Which does everyone a disservice, really.

Maybe a weighted 4.0 GPA (unweighted 3.1 GPA) COVID cheating corrected around a 2.3 GPA.

Anonymous wrote:At our high schooler's end-of-year awards ceremony, the principle asked the students with 4.0 to stand up and everyone stood up. Literally, every student stood up. My spouse and I laughed, and some people looked at us. My spouse said, "well hello, grade inflation!" When we were in high school, you might see three students stand up, not the entire auditorium.

And candy bars wuz a nickel and we wore onions on our belt, as was the fashion of the time!

Anonymous wrote:"Here, the authors find that the proportion of students with A averages (including A-minus and A-plus) increased from 38.9 percent of the graduating class of 1998 to 47 percent of the graduating class of 2016. "

This original question seems to have fallen off the radar. Yes, indeed, about half (47%) of seniors have an A average. This is from the Inside Higher Ed article posted above.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2017/07/17/study-finds-notable-increase-grades-high-schools-nationally

ok, so the actual proportion has gone from 39 to 47 percent, that doesn't seem like an enormous ground shift to me, but people on this thread are acting like it is. Does anyone really think that 39 percent of kids with an A average was that different a landscape?

At our high schooler's end-of-year awards ceremony, the principle asked the students with 4.0 to stand up and everyone stood up. Literally, every student stood up. My spouse and I laughed, and some people looked at us. My spouse said, "well hello, grade inflation!" When we were in high school, you might see three students stand up, not the entire auditorium.

Anonymous wrote:Literally every gen Z dipshit brags about their grades. Their parents too.

They like to post in forums also, apparently.

Literally every gen Z dipshit brags about their grades. Their parents too.

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Anonymous wrote:I taught community college (political science) for eight years pre-covid. Plagiarism was rampant among a certain percentage of students. Prob 30%-40%. Maybe more now.

Some of these students lacked direction or motivation. (They should not have been in college at all but their parents pressured them.) Others didn't receive the education they deserved in high school and just panicked. I had students who graduated HS with straight As who could not write a complete sentence.

Grade inflation is very, very real. And it does nothing but harm kids.

As a community college professor you saw your student's HS transcripts? How did that happen?

Not PP but I've worked in education for about 20 years. No, s/he didn't see transcripts, obviously, but when criticizing the kid's work or giving them a subpar grade, deluded dimwitted students can't help but drop "I've never gotten a bad grade in my life! I had all As in high school!" Meanwhile their SAT or ACT sub-scores prove they are years short of college readiness.

So how many students did this happen with? And the teacher kept track? This is why these stories are all unreliable and unhelpful. Anecdotes /= data.

5 years ago 50% of US 12th graders had A average grade point averages; grades have become even more inflated since. Teachers and admins do not give a crap about your kids. The free fake As and Bs keep you out of their hair.

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Anonymous wrote:I taught community college (political science) for eight years pre-covid. Plagiarism was rampant among a certain percentage of students. Prob 30%-40%. Maybe more now.

Some of these students lacked direction or motivation. (They should not have been in college at all but their parents pressured them.) Others didn't receive the education they deserved in high school and just panicked. I had students who graduated HS with straight As who could not write a complete sentence.

Grade inflation is very, very real. And it does nothing but harm kids.

As a community college professor you saw your student's HS transcripts? How did that happen?

Not PP but I've worked in education for about 20 years. No, s/he didn't see transcripts, obviously, but when criticizing the kid's work or giving them a subpar grade, deluded dimwitted students can't help but drop "I've never gotten a bad grade in my life! I had all As in high school!" Meanwhile their SAT or ACT sub-scores prove they are years short of college readiness.

"Here, the authors find that the proportion of students with A averages (including A-minus and A-plus) increased from 38.9 percent of the graduating class of 1998 to 47 percent of the graduating class of 2016. "

This original question seems to have fallen off the radar. Yes, indeed, about half (47%) of seniors have an A average. This is from the Inside Higher Ed article posted above.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2017/07/17/study-finds-notable-increase-grades-high-schools-nationally

Anonymous wrote:Not sure source, if someone knows, I’d love to see. This is the problem, there is no way, if true, that there isn’t rampant grade inflation. Which does everyone a disservice, really.

It is true. That's why you see most of every high school in honors/NHS and so many dipshit parents bragging about their underachiever having all As. Notice outside of the true tiger cubs, you never see those parents bragging about SAT, ACT, or 4s/5s on AP Exams. Only the inflated fake grades.

Nearly half of America’s Class of 2016 are A students. Meanwhile, their average SAT score fell from 1,026 to 1,002 on a 1,600-point scale — suggesting that those A's on report cards might be fool's gold.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/17/easy-a-nearly-half-hs-seniors-graduate-average/485787001/

It's funny how so many parents want their kids to go to the "best" schools, when if you have a strong performing student, they are probably better off going to a lower ranking school where they will be noticed more and ranked more highly. I guess colleges are aware of this?

When I was in high school, back in the stone age, there were 3 major high schools in my area. One had a majority of the wealthy kids. One was more mixed. That was the one I went to. And one had more middle class and lower middle class kids. My friend ended up being the valediction of the third school when she definitely would not have been in contention at my school or the even wealthier high school. She also got into all the Ivy league schools. She was certainly very smart and a very strong student, but being the "big" fish in the little pond was good for her.

Whereas my kid goes to a school where so many kids are "high achievers," it almost means nothing. It's the standard and expected.

Anonymous wrote:I taught community college (political science) for eight years pre-covid. Plagiarism was rampant among a certain percentage of students. Prob 30%-40%. Maybe more now.

Some of these students lacked direction or motivation. (They should not have been in college at all but their parents pressured them.) Others didn't receive the education they deserved in high school and just panicked. I had students who graduated HS with straight As who could not write a complete sentence.

Grade inflation is very, very real. And it does nothing but harm kids.

As a community college professor you saw your student's HS transcripts? How did that happen?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why standardized testing is so important….it provides and objective assessment of intellect. Only the dumbs oppose them.

I am a supporter of standarized testing but not sure if it's an assessment of intellect. Assessment of knowledge maybe.

DP. More like assessment of prepping skills.

Standardized testing tells you a lot about social class. Not much else. There are better ways to evaluate skills and merit.