Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 23:45     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
OP, look into Faster Way to Fat Loss. It basically combines intermittent fasting with carb cycling (2 low carb days a week), together with 30 minute strength training workouts you do at home. It is a little gimmicky - most programs are - but it is really easy and effective. I eat more calories and more (healthy) carbs and do less cardio/working out than I used yo, and I feel much better, am far more toned and have lost (a lot of) weight.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 23:11     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:BMI is garbage psuedo-science.

Eat healthy foods. Do exercise you enjoy. Get good sleep. Stop worrying about the scale.


BMI is NOT garbage pseudo science. and it's not "worrying about the scale." It's quite a wide weight range at which a person is considered in a healthy range for their height. I've been both near the top and the bottom of my BMI weight range. The look is quite different, but both are healthy weights.

You are not at optimal health if you are below or above the scale.


NP here: No really, the BMI is pseudo science. Do you even know how it was developed? Go listen to The Maintenance Phase podcast. There’s an episode devoted entirely to the BMI.


DP. I think the truth lies somewhere between you two. BMI is largely an arbitrary number that only works when evaluating the population level and as a general evaluation of health. But should never be the sole way we evaluate an actual individual because there are so many variables that can make it less valuable. Muscle content, previous weight history (hey, an overweight BMI is GREAT if the person had been morbidly obese for most of their life!), bone density, whatever, this can all impact how valuable BMI is when discussing a specific individual.

That said, while might not be an exact science at determining where exactly health starts to be impacted and decline, its clear that that happens. No one sees a 600 pound person and can reasonably think they have a good quality of life. No one sees that person and believes that their weight is not dramatically impacting their health. So coming up with some metrics that help people to see when they are edging towards a lesser quality of life is important.

I have gone from 210 to 160 in the last year and a half. And at 210 all my health indicators like labs were great. I was not 'unhealthy' in any way other than my weight. I didn't feel restricted at all. I decided to do IF because I didn't like how I looked in photos from a wedding. That was the only reason. I thought I was a-ok health wise, I skied, kept up with my kids, jogged, walked, I did stuff! But today I see with an alarming clarity how weighed down I was, literally. I move so much easier, I don't get winded going up the stairs, I can keep up with my kids in a way I didn't even realize I was lacking. I too thought BMI was junk science and I was totally fine. Until I went from morbidly obese to overweight and marveled at the difference in how I felt. I expected that the only thing that would be that different was how I look. But that has actually been perhaps the least important benefit.

Anyway, you're both right, BMI is imperfect, but it serves a purpose, a nagging number to let you know you're letting it get out of hand. A nagging number in the back of your head not letting you ignore it. There are so many reasons people gain weight, so many reasons they can't lose it. I'm committed to not being one of those people who lose weight and become someone who hates fat people. But past me was really wrong about some things, and I see those things I was wrong about reflected in posts like this.


I agree with this, this is less black and white then people make it out to be
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 22:22     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:No, I think some people do not have the desire to overeat the way most of us do. They are more interested in other things.

DO most

Who says that "most people have the desire to overeat"? Do you mean they eat even though full or it takes longer for them to feel full or what?

As you might guess - I'm not overweight and don't like to overeat -- but it's because being stuffed feels physically bad. I learned this from overeating a few times. Same thing with over drinking.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 22:22     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:BMI is garbage psuedo-science.

Eat healthy foods. Do exercise you enjoy. Get good sleep. Stop worrying about the scale.

wow, you should become a nutritionist


Honestly, I think actual nutritionists are BS. The above advice is pretty good. Except I DO worry about the scale, although more so the pants I can fit into.

it's bad advice because...duh. everyone knows eating healthy, exercise, and good sleep are key ingredients to weight loss. actually DOING them is the hard part.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 22:11     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:BMI is garbage psuedo-science.

Eat healthy foods. Do exercise you enjoy. Get good sleep. Stop worrying about the scale.


BMI is NOT garbage pseudo science. and it's not "worrying about the scale." It's quite a wide weight range at which a person is considered in a healthy range for their height. I've been both near the top and the bottom of my BMI weight range. The look is quite different, but both are healthy weights.

You are not at optimal health if you are below or above the scale.


NP here: No really, the BMI is pseudo science. Do you even know how it was developed? Go listen to The Maintenance Phase podcast. There’s an episode devoted entirely to the BMI.


Perhaps you should consider that the "Maintenance Phase podcast" is pseudo science.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 21:40     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 po
Anonymous wrote:No, I think some people do not have the desire to overeat the way most of us do. They are more interested in other things.

+1 Did you ever hear the saying that some people live to eat and others eat to live? I’ve never been particularly overweight, but I love food, love cooking, have many cravings, think about new recipes and yearn for great restaurant meals all the time.

My DH and 2 of my 3 kids are the same. My mom was a good cook who always fed us (and herself) nutritious meals, but she really never cared about food much at all. The only cravings she ever had were saltines with either a large slice of butter or cheese, chocolate, or Coca Cola. I think she craved the saltine/butter/cheese combo because she would forget to eat and need a calorie influx a few times a day or week because she never snacked and missed meals. She didn’t care about her appearance at all, or ours, she just literally found everything to do with food boring. One of my kids is similar. He’ll cheerfully eat anything you put in front of him, but won’t notice if he misses a meal or two. He’s an athlete and loves when he gets a burger/fries/milkshake meal, but is perfectly happy if I make him a salad for lunch. I pack his lunch in MS because he would just bring a granola bar, a banana and water every day.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 21:38     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


I'm nearly 4 years out from my surgery, and I'm holding steady. I had the gastric sleeve.


How long have you been at 129? Seems extreme to go from being morbidly obese to within 10
Lbs to being underweight in a short time. That kind of extreme shift can cause it’s own set of problems.


Also, 214 is not morbidly obese . I didn't even qualify for the surgery in the states/with insurance, so I went to Mexico.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 21:30     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


I'm nearly 4 years out from my surgery, and I'm holding steady. I had the gastric sleeve.


How long have you been at 129? Seems extreme to go from being morbidly obese to within 10
Lbs to being underweight in a short time. That kind of extreme shift can cause it’s own set of problems.


Compared to others, I lost my weight slowly, which is good because my skin didn't sag. I've been between 129-135 since February 2020.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 21:22     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Lose weight the right way. Nothing has changed, it is still diet and exercise. What that looks like for you may be different from someone else and that is ok. Do what works for you. I can not weight until our culture stops focusing on food so much. Someone dies, we mourn and eat. Someone is born, we celebrate and eat. Someone graduates, we go out to eat. Haven’t seen someone in a long time, let’s go out and eat. Kid did well on a test, let’s go through a drive through. It’s sad.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 21:15     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


I'm nearly 4 years out from my surgery, and I'm holding steady. I had the gastric sleeve.


How long have you been at 129? Seems extreme to go from being morbidly obese to within 10
Lbs to being underweight in a short time. That kind of extreme shift can cause it’s own set of problems.

PP isn’t underweight. Just because that might not be the right weight for your body at that height, doesn’t mean you need to try to shame other people about it. We are so skewed in our thinking that nobody slender can be healthy when in fact that’s the best way to be healthy.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 20:49     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


I'm nearly 4 years out from my surgery, and I'm holding steady. I had the gastric sleeve.


How long have you been at 129? Seems extreme to go from being morbidly obese to within 10
Lbs to being underweight in a short time. That kind of extreme shift can cause it’s own set of problems.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 20:13     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


I'm nearly 4 years out from my surgery, and I'm holding steady. I had the gastric sleeve.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 20:06     Subject: Re:OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
How much does your DH weighs?
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 20:05     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Just drink 1/4 tsp of Inulin in a glass of water, 30 minutes before lunch and dinner. Follow up with a cup of plain homemade yogurt with lots of active culture.

Work up to 1.5 to 2 tsp of Inulin twice a day over time. Watch your weight melt like butter.

All of this happens if you are somewhat eating healthy (so no cola and junk food diet, no crazy amounts of desserts etc).

Come back to this thread to thank me in a few weeks.
Anonymous
Post 11/19/2021 19:59     Subject: OMG! I'm 230 pounds.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If all efforts fail, just get weight loss surgery. I did it, and it was the best decision I've ever made. I am 44, 5'6 and currently 129 lbs. before surgery I was 214.


That seems extreme and unlikely to last


DP, and actually one who has lost a large amount of weight via diet and exercise in the past couple years, but this is a dumb comment. Surgery is one of the most statistically successful obesity interventions is!