Anonymous
11/16/2021 13:19
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:There’s about to be a hugh reckoning for drivers in DC. Enjoy getting booted, MD and Va a-holes.
Booted by whom? DC DPW has the manpower and equipment to boot only about 36-50 vehicles per day (and its actual rate is much, much lower than that). At that maximum rate, it would take more than 25 years to boot all the drivers who technically should be booted because of unpaid tickets.
https://twitter.com/marycheh/status/1460325123832098816
Don't expect this to get better anytime soon. Lower-income Brown and Black residents always bear the brunt of more strenuous traffic enforcement, and that's a non-starter for a DC Council that blindly demands equity about all else.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 13:03
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier today about how drivers need to drive really tentatively on city streets and that drivers used to Rockville Pike/Lee Hwy need to recognize they have to employ a totally different skill set here.
I just ran errands by car that took me through many blocks in Foggy Bottom and Dupont, paying special attention to my speed and how prepared I was to stop at crosswalks. Keep in mind there are stop signs on most corners on secondary/tertiary roads in central NWDC neighborhoods.
I found the natural speed between stops was between 15 and 22 mph (yes speed limit is 20--I'm not a saint). At these speeds, with an awareness that there could be pedestrians to yield to at every corner (the awareness that I argue suburban drivers too often lack), I felt fully prepared to stop at each crosswalk and corner. The issue is really that PP's expectation she can just barrel through is unreasonable. If she's driving under 20 mph and WATCHING for pedestrians starting to cross, she will see them in time to stop. They are unlikely to sprint into the road so quickly she can't stop... unless she's not really scanning for them. That whole line of argument about the whatever-pound SUV doesn't make sense if PP is driving with the expectation that she might need to yield at every corner.
a lot of weird assumptions here to come to a very tortured conclusion.
Which assumptions do you think are weird?
and why is the conclusion tortured? all PP is saying is that when driving in an urban area you need to be looking for pedestrians at every intersection. if you find that "tortured" then maybe take metro.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 13:02
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier today about how drivers need to drive really tentatively on city streets and that drivers used to Rockville Pike/Lee Hwy need to recognize they have to employ a totally different skill set here.
I just ran errands by car that took me through many blocks in Foggy Bottom and Dupont, paying special attention to my speed and how prepared I was to stop at crosswalks. Keep in mind there are stop signs on most corners on secondary/tertiary roads in central NWDC neighborhoods.
I found the natural speed between stops was between 15 and 22 mph (yes speed limit is 20--I'm not a saint). At these speeds, with an awareness that there could be pedestrians to yield to at every corner (the awareness that I argue suburban drivers too often lack), I felt fully prepared to stop at each crosswalk and corner. The issue is really that PP's expectation she can just barrel through is unreasonable. If she's driving under 20 mph and WATCHING for pedestrians starting to cross, she will see them in time to stop. They are unlikely to sprint into the road so quickly she can't stop... unless she's not really scanning for them. That whole line of argument about the whatever-pound SUV doesn't make sense if PP is driving with the expectation that she might need to yield at every corner.
a lot of weird assumptions here to come to a very tortured conclusion.
Which assumptions do you think are weird?
Anonymous
11/16/2021 12:52
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier today about how drivers need to drive really tentatively on city streets and that drivers used to Rockville Pike/Lee Hwy need to recognize they have to employ a totally different skill set here.
I just ran errands by car that took me through many blocks in Foggy Bottom and Dupont, paying special attention to my speed and how prepared I was to stop at crosswalks. Keep in mind there are stop signs on most corners on secondary/tertiary roads in central NWDC neighborhoods.
I found the natural speed between stops was between 15 and 22 mph (yes speed limit is 20--I'm not a saint). At these speeds, with an awareness that there could be pedestrians to yield to at every corner (the awareness that I argue suburban drivers too often lack), I felt fully prepared to stop at each crosswalk and corner. The issue is really that PP's expectation she can just barrel through is unreasonable. If she's driving under 20 mph and WATCHING for pedestrians starting to cross, she will see them in time to stop. They are unlikely to sprint into the road so quickly she can't stop... unless she's not really scanning for them. That whole line of argument about the whatever-pound SUV doesn't make sense if PP is driving with the expectation that she might need to yield at every corner.
a lot of weird assumptions here to come to a very tortured conclusion.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 12:14
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
I posted earlier today about how drivers need to drive really tentatively on city streets and that drivers used to Rockville Pike/Lee Hwy need to recognize they have to employ a totally different skill set here.
I just ran errands by car that took me through many blocks in Foggy Bottom and Dupont, paying special attention to my speed and how prepared I was to stop at crosswalks. Keep in mind there are stop signs on most corners on secondary/tertiary roads in central NWDC neighborhoods.
I found the natural speed between stops was between 15 and 22 mph (yes speed limit is 20--I'm not a saint). At these speeds, with an awareness that there could be pedestrians to yield to at every corner (the awareness that I argue suburban drivers too often lack), I felt fully prepared to stop at each crosswalk and corner. The issue is really that PP's expectation she can just barrel through is unreasonable. If she's driving under 20 mph and WATCHING for pedestrians starting to cross, she will see them in time to stop. They are unlikely to sprint into the road so quickly she can't stop... unless she's not really scanning for them. That whole line of argument about the whatever-pound SUV doesn't make sense if PP is driving with the expectation that she might need to yield at every corner.
I just ran errands by car that took me through many blocks in Foggy Bottom and Dupont, paying special attention to my speed and how prepared I was to stop at crosswalks. Keep in mind there are stop signs on most corners on secondary/tertiary roads in central NWDC neighborhoods.
I found the natural speed between stops was between 15 and 22 mph (yes speed limit is 20--I'm not a saint). At these speeds, with an awareness that there could be pedestrians to yield to at every corner (the awareness that I argue suburban drivers too often lack), I felt fully prepared to stop at each crosswalk and corner. The issue is really that PP's expectation she can just barrel through is unreasonable. If she's driving under 20 mph and WATCHING for pedestrians starting to cross, she will see them in time to stop. They are unlikely to sprint into the road so quickly she can't stop... unless she's not really scanning for them. That whole line of argument about the whatever-pound SUV doesn't make sense if PP is driving with the expectation that she might need to yield at every corner.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:50
Subject: DC Pedestrian Safety
There’s about to be a hugh reckoning for drivers in DC. Enjoy getting booted, MD and Va a-holes.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:48
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:there's a lot of contradictory policies in dc.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
Most of the DC traffic deaths are people in cars.
Not really surprising. There's probably a million cars being driven around D.C. on any given day. Last year, there were 34 traffic fatalities.
And a million people walking around. And a lot of people bicycling. So, why your focus on bicycling? Nina Larson wasn't bicycling, and she wasn't killed by a bicyclist.
A whole lot of people bicycling. Dozens and dozens of them.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:34
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:there's a lot of contradictory policies in dc.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
Most of the DC traffic deaths are people in cars.
Not really surprising. There's probably a million cars being driven around D.C. on any given day. Last year, there were 34 traffic fatalities.
And a million people walking around. And a lot of people bicycling. So, why your focus on bicycling? Nina Larson wasn't bicycling, and she wasn't killed by a bicyclist.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:18
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:there's a lot of contradictory policies in dc.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
Most of the DC traffic deaths are people in cars.
Not really surprising. There's probably a million cars being driven around D.C. on any given day. Last year, there were 34 traffic fatalities.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:15
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:there's a lot of contradictory policies in dc.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
Most of the DC traffic deaths are people in cars.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:11
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
there's a lot of contradictory policies in dc.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
people want safer traffic but the city all-but-promotes pot, which means a lot more impaired drivers on the road. you need cops to catch impaired drivers and enforce traffic laws generally but people hate the police so they want minimal traffic enforcement and so that is what we get. the city wants people to ride bikes basically everywhere but the beltway.
the result is lots of high drivers, practically no enforcement of traffic laws and extremely vulnerable people riding bikes on very busy streets. it's a wonder more people aren't killed.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:06
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Go step in front of 6,000 pound SUV going 20 mph, and let us know how that works out for you.
Now why are you bringing your SUV here? Where are you going to park that thing? Again, not Rockville Pike or Lee Highway.
We don't want them on Rockville Pike either.
Ha, fair enough.
Can we also get rid of the bike lanes?
There are no bike lanes on Rockville Pike, and Nina Larson wasn't killed by a bicyclist. Take your bicycle-hatred to a different thread.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 11:02
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Go step in front of 6,000 pound SUV going 20 mph, and let us know how that works out for you.
Now why are you bringing your SUV here? Where are you going to park that thing? Again, not Rockville Pike or Lee Highway.
We don't want them on Rockville Pike either.
Ha, fair enough.
Can we also get rid of the bike lanes?
Anonymous
11/16/2021 10:51
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Go step in front of 6,000 pound SUV going 20 mph, and let us know how that works out for you.
Now why are you bringing your SUV here? Where are you going to park that thing? Again, not Rockville Pike or Lee Highway.
We don't want them on Rockville Pike either.
Ha, fair enough.
Anonymous
11/16/2021 10:20
Subject: Re:DC Pedestrian Safety
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Go step in front of 6,000 pound SUV going 20 mph, and let us know how that works out for you.
Now why are you bringing your SUV here? Where are you going to park that thing? Again, not Rockville Pike or Lee Highway.
We don't want them on Rockville Pike either.