Anonymous
10/23/2021 19:34
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:I'm no Chicago booster but Parchment "data" is junk. For one, all of these hypothetical cross-admits are most certainly 99 to 100%, not 62 to 71%:
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
I think you're right in the sense that no one would pick Chicago over any of those schools unless there Chicago offered full ride.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 19:23
Subject: Univ of Chicago
As a big 3 parent, I would say that the kind of kids who ended up being accepted by Chicago from DD's school are not usually "hooked" like the Ivies admits do. Like a PP said, it does reflect different educational philosophies.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 17:02
Subject: Univ of Chicago
I'm no Chicago booster but Parchment "data" is junk. For one, all of these hypothetical cross-admits are most certainly 99 to 100%, not 62 to 71%:
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Anonymous
10/23/2021 16:05
Subject: Re:Univ of Chicago
My DC loves UChicago with the strength of a thousand suns. Loves the gorgeous campus, loves the fascinating student body, loves the professors and the rigor, loves the openness to debate, loves, loves, loves the city. Would telling people that DC goes to HYPMS sound cooler? I guess so.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 15:47
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Cross admit data is meaningless when you have SCEA, ED1, ED2, full ride scholarships, Quest bridge scholarships, Legacy preferences, affirmative action etc.
All these skew the data so badly that drawing any kind of conclusions from them is impossible.
For example, What does for example between Penn vs. Chicago really tell you? Not much. The RD cross admit pool betwen both schools that offer ED is quite small and unknown. This is not some massive bake off with all confounding variables being adjusted for. It's s small smile size whera a bunch of variables affect outcomes.
All these skew the data so badly that drawing any kind of conclusions from them is impossible.
For example, What does for example between Penn vs. Chicago really tell you? Not much. The RD cross admit pool betwen both schools that offer ED is quite small and unknown. This is not some massive bake off with all confounding variables being adjusted for. It's s small smile size whera a bunch of variables affect outcomes.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 15:43
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Why is it so hard for uchicago affiliates to plainly accept the fact that they are not hypsm level? Or even below columbia, caltech, and penn? Isn't a T10/ivy plus school already good enough? What more are you asking? It's certainly as good as, or even surpassed duke and definitely more so than NU and JHU. I don't understand where all this insecurity comes from to be honest.
Academics (including those who went to and/or taught at some version of HYPSM) don’t think these are facts. What you're seeing here isn’t insecurity — it's a different value system (college as educational institution vs networking opportunity) and/or a different knowledge base.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 15:41
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:A fine school with some embarrassingly insecure alumni:
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/uchicago-steals-2nd-nobel-prize-winner-from-harvard-since-last-year/3535983
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/uchicago-steals-2nd-nobel-prize-winner-from-harvard-since-last-year/3535983
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/uchicago-is-tops-at-top-prep-schools/2795312/131
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/uchicago-more-popular-than-harvard-stanford-ivys-at-beverly-hills-high-school/2798813/207
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/interesting-admission-statistics-from-one-top-private-school/3528303
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/most-popular-colleges-at-top-20-private-schools/3531719
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/lookie-who-is-in-the-top-10-in-the-world/3529877
chicago boosters are hopelessly ridiculous
Anonymous
10/23/2021 15:34
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Why is it so hard for uchicago affiliates to plainly accept the fact that they are not hypsm level? Or even below columbia, caltech, and penn? Isn't a T10/ivy plus school already good enough? What more are you asking? It's certainly as good as, or even surpassed duke and definitely more so than NU and JHU. I don't understand where all this insecurity comes from to be honest.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 15:32
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not reliable, but still a good reflection of the pecking order of schools in terms of prestige. A T10 school at best.
If it's not reliable or accurate, how is it a good reflection?
The exact percentages may not be reliable, but the pecking order doesn't lie. UChicago loses crossadmits to most T10s, maybe not to Brown. I'm sure most DCUM people agree, unless your kid could only get into UChicago. Quite a lot of the kids at the big 3 who got into uchicago were ivy rejects and specifically hyp/columbia/penn so UChicago is definitely below whatever preference tiers they are on.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:54
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Parchment is not a real source.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:42
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:
It's not reliable, but still a good reflection of the pecking order of schools in terms of prestige. A T10 school at best.
If it's not reliable or accurate, how is it a good reflection?
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:35
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great school but expect uchicago bashers and the hypsm prestige defense squad to show up on this thread really soon...
Present and ready for duty!
HYPSM is the best and top tier of the elite of elite of academic institutions.
UChicago is a great place, if the fit is right.
Positives: academic, intellectual, has prestige but NOT HYPSM prestige
Negatives: frigid cold, crime-ridden, quarter system so if you get behind you are toast
Prestige-wise less than schools like Columbia, Penn, or Duke but above Northwestern and JHU.
Roughly tied with the lower ivies in terms of student caliber and popularity if you want an honest take. DS went to STA and most from his class who ended up at uchi were rejected from ivies or stanford.
...and Duke and Notre dame. I’m sure uchicago wins cross admit battles with Wash U since St. Louis is an even more miserable flyover city than Chicago.
The only schools chicago wins cross admits are northwestern and jhu in the T10 and comfortably WashU, Vandy in the T15.
Citation?
A sample cross-admit data of uchicago vs other schools:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Chicago
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Columbia vs Chicago (66% picks Columbia)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Penn vs Chicago (60% picks Penn)
Duke vs Chicago (57% picks Duke)
Brown vs Chicago (50-50% tied)
Dartmouth vs Chicago (54% picks Chicago)
Caltech vs Chicago (53% picks Chicago)
WashU vs Chicago (56% picks Chicago)
Cornell vs Chicago (61% picks Chicago)
JHU vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Northwestern vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Vandy vs Chicago (85% picks Chicago)
The only ivy that Chicago has an edge over is Cornell. It's roughly tied with Dartmouth and Brown, coming in last or second to last in the T10 in terms of cross-admits. It comfortably wins over Vandy, Northwestern, and JHU. This generally goes in line with my expectations. The gap between Chicago and peers like Columbia/Penn are only getting bigger as the latter rise in applications, domestic/international rankings, and both grew their endowment by 30-50% this year to 15 billion and 20 billion, respectively, and are investing heavily in state of the art facilities and new STEM faculties. Plus the ivy branding always have an edge.
I'm a UChicago "supporter" but Parchment is not reliable data, at all. It's as good as moot.
I find it funny the only ones who call Parchment bull are Chicago boosters.
But it's not accurate, at all. I'm confused why people keep sharing Parchment as if it's reliable in the slightest.
It's not reliable, but still a good reflection of the pecking order of schools in terms of prestige. A T10 school at best.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:32
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great school but expect uchicago bashers and the hypsm prestige defense squad to show up on this thread really soon...
Present and ready for duty!
HYPSM is the best and top tier of the elite of elite of academic institutions.
UChicago is a great place, if the fit is right.
Positives: academic, intellectual, has prestige but NOT HYPSM prestige
Negatives: frigid cold, crime-ridden, quarter system so if you get behind you are toast
Prestige-wise less than schools like Columbia, Penn, or Duke but above Northwestern and JHU.
Roughly tied with the lower ivies in terms of student caliber and popularity if you want an honest take. DS went to STA and most from his class who ended up at uchi were rejected from ivies or stanford.
...and Duke and Notre dame. I’m sure uchicago wins cross admit battles with Wash U since St. Louis is an even more miserable flyover city than Chicago.
The only schools chicago wins cross admits are northwestern and jhu in the T10 and comfortably WashU, Vandy in the T15.
Citation?
A sample cross-admit data of uchicago vs other schools:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Chicago
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Columbia vs Chicago (66% picks Columbia)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Penn vs Chicago (60% picks Penn)
Duke vs Chicago (57% picks Duke)
Brown vs Chicago (50-50% tied)
Dartmouth vs Chicago (54% picks Chicago)
Caltech vs Chicago (53% picks Chicago)
WashU vs Chicago (56% picks Chicago)
Cornell vs Chicago (61% picks Chicago)
JHU vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Northwestern vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Vandy vs Chicago (85% picks Chicago)
The only ivy that Chicago has an edge over is Cornell. It's roughly tied with Dartmouth and Brown, coming in last or second to last in the T10 in terms of cross-admits. It comfortably wins over Vandy, Northwestern, and JHU. This generally goes in line with my expectations. The gap between Chicago and peers like Columbia/Penn are only getting bigger as the latter rise in applications, domestic/international rankings, and both grew their endowment by 30-50% this year to 15 billion and 20 billion, respectively, and are investing heavily in state of the art facilities and new STEM faculties. Plus the ivy branding always have an edge.
I'm a UChicago "supporter" but Parchment is not reliable data, at all. It's as good as moot.
I find it funny the only ones who call Parchment bull are Chicago boosters.
But it's not accurate, at all. I'm confused why people keep sharing Parchment as if it's reliable in the slightest.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:25
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great school but expect uchicago bashers and the hypsm prestige defense squad to show up on this thread really soon...
Present and ready for duty!
HYPSM is the best and top tier of the elite of elite of academic institutions.
UChicago is a great place, if the fit is right.
Positives: academic, intellectual, has prestige but NOT HYPSM prestige
Negatives: frigid cold, crime-ridden, quarter system so if you get behind you are toast
Prestige-wise less than schools like Columbia, Penn, or Duke but above Northwestern and JHU.
Roughly tied with the lower ivies in terms of student caliber and popularity if you want an honest take. DS went to STA and most from his class who ended up at uchi were rejected from ivies or stanford.
...and Duke and Notre dame. I’m sure uchicago wins cross admit battles with Wash U since St. Louis is an even more miserable flyover city than Chicago.
The only schools chicago wins cross admits are northwestern and jhu in the T10 and comfortably WashU, Vandy in the T15.
Citation?
A sample cross-admit data of uchicago vs other schools:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Chicago
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Columbia vs Chicago (66% picks Columbia)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Penn vs Chicago (60% picks Penn)
Duke vs Chicago (57% picks Duke)
Brown vs Chicago (50-50% tied)
Dartmouth vs Chicago (54% picks Chicago)
Caltech vs Chicago (53% picks Chicago)
WashU vs Chicago (56% picks Chicago)
Cornell vs Chicago (61% picks Chicago)
JHU vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Northwestern vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Vandy vs Chicago (85% picks Chicago)
The only ivy that Chicago has an edge over is Cornell. It's roughly tied with Dartmouth and Brown, coming in last or second to last in the T10 in terms of cross-admits. It comfortably wins over Vandy, Northwestern, and JHU. This generally goes in line with my expectations. The gap between Chicago and peers like Columbia/Penn are only getting bigger as the latter rise in applications, domestic/international rankings, and both grew their endowment by 30-50% this year to 15 billion and 20 billion, respectively, and are investing heavily in state of the art facilities and new STEM faculties. Plus the ivy branding always have an edge.
I'm a UChicago "supporter" but Parchment is not reliable data, at all. It's as good as moot.
I find it funny the only ones who call Parchment bull are Chicago boosters.
Anonymous
10/23/2021 14:16
Subject: Univ of Chicago
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:great school but expect uchicago bashers and the hypsm prestige defense squad to show up on this thread really soon...
Present and ready for duty!
HYPSM is the best and top tier of the elite of elite of academic institutions.
UChicago is a great place, if the fit is right.
Positives: academic, intellectual, has prestige but NOT HYPSM prestige
Negatives: frigid cold, crime-ridden, quarter system so if you get behind you are toast
Prestige-wise less than schools like Columbia, Penn, or Duke but above Northwestern and JHU.
Roughly tied with the lower ivies in terms of student caliber and popularity if you want an honest take. DS went to STA and most from his class who ended up at uchi were rejected from ivies or stanford.
...and Duke and Notre dame. I’m sure uchicago wins cross admit battles with Wash U since St. Louis is an even more miserable flyover city than Chicago.
The only schools chicago wins cross admits are northwestern and jhu in the T10 and comfortably WashU, Vandy in the T15.
Citation?
A sample cross-admit data of uchicago vs other schools:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Chicago
Harvard vs Chicago (71% picks Harvard)
MIT vs Chicago (76% picks MIT)
Yale vs Chicago (75% picks Yale)
Stanford vs Chicago (68% picks Stanford)
Columbia vs Chicago (66% picks Columbia)
Princeton vs Chicago (62% picks Princeton)
Penn vs Chicago (60% picks Penn)
Duke vs Chicago (57% picks Duke)
Brown vs Chicago (50-50% tied)
Dartmouth vs Chicago (54% picks Chicago)
Caltech vs Chicago (53% picks Chicago)
WashU vs Chicago (56% picks Chicago)
Cornell vs Chicago (61% picks Chicago)
JHU vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Northwestern vs Chicago (69% picks Chicago)
Vandy vs Chicago (85% picks Chicago)
The only ivy that Chicago has an edge over is Cornell. It's roughly tied with Dartmouth and Brown, coming in last or second to last in the T10 in terms of cross-admits. It comfortably wins over Vandy, Northwestern, and JHU. This generally goes in line with my expectations. The gap between Chicago and peers like Columbia/Penn are only getting bigger as the latter rise in applications, domestic/international rankings, and both grew their endowment by 30-50% this year to 15 billion and 20 billion, respectively, and are investing heavily in state of the art facilities and new STEM faculties. Plus the ivy branding always have an edge.
I'm a UChicago "supporter" but Parchment is not reliable data, at all. It's as good as moot.