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Anonymous wrote:SAVE MAYORAL CONTROL is basically Vote Ferebee. I thought that was what we were against?

Sadly, there are ideas worse than Ferebee, and this is one of them. I won't vote to just "shake up" things, because that was exactly why people voted for Trump. Shaking up things to bring in people with backwards or weak policy proposals should be verboten.

Mayoral control of schools was adopted to 'shake things up'. It allowed Fenty to bring in a flamethrower like Michelle Rhee to stare down the union and promote a pro charter agenda. That's the new status quo and it's continues to fail.

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Anonymous wrote:SAVE MAYORAL CONTROL is basically Vote Ferebee. I thought that was what we were against?

Sadly, there are ideas worse than Ferebee, and this is one of them. I won't vote to just "shake up" things, because that was exactly why people voted for Trump. Shaking up things to bring in people with backwards or weak policy proposals should be verboten.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.

So far I've seen no reason why the SBOE having control of schools would be better. We have evidence that BEFORE mayoral control, schools were abysmal. Why should we believe removing mayoral control would improve how schools operate? No one provides any even suggestive reasons, let alone data.

So you can look at DC over time or you can look at comparable school districts. Different views, different conclusions. There's not the clear logic break that you're suggesting.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, you seem like reasonable people to have a rational discussion with. I'm sure you all have lots of friends. I'll definitely be back to continue this never.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.

So far I've seen no reason why the SBOE having control of schools would be better. We have evidence that BEFORE mayoral control, schools were abysmal. Why should we believe removing mayoral control would improve how schools operate? No one provides any even suggestive reasons, let alone data.

So you can look at DC over time or you can look at comparable school districts. Different views, different conclusions. There's not the clear logic break that you're suggesting.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.

So far I've seen no reason why the SBOE having control of schools would be better. We have evidence that BEFORE mayoral control, schools were abysmal. Why should we believe removing mayoral control would improve how schools operate? No one provides any even suggestive reasons, let alone data.

So you can look at DC over time or you can look at comparable school districts. Different views, different conclusions. There's not the clear logic break that you're suggesting.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.

So far I've seen no reason why the SBOE having control of schools would be better. We have evidence that BEFORE mayoral control, schools were abysmal. Why should we believe removing mayoral control would improve how schools operate? No one provides any even suggestive reasons, let alone data.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be a DC Council hearing on October 26 to discuss ending mayoral control of DCPS. Please sign up to testify against ending Mayoral control. There is no rational for ending Mayoral control other than giving more power to outside organizations over DCPS. Nobody has made the case for why the current management of DCPS needs to be change. Indeed - every single other public work is administered directly by the Mayor.

Mayoral control is DIRECTLY related to school reopening after covid. Without mayoral control, I do not believe DCPS would have opened at all last year, similar to SFUSD.

More information:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/chicago-schools-lori-lightfoot-mayoral-control/2021/02/18/ff452110-7158-11eb-93be-c10813e358a2_story.html

This is old research, but it explains the issue of mayoral control of schools, and why it is beneficial:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/education-k-12/news/2013/03/22/57723/top-5-things-to-know-about-mayoral-control-of-schools/

Washington Post on the current efforts in DC: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/undermining-mayoral-control-of-dc-schools-wont-make-things-better-for-students/2021/03/07/0fcb87d4-7bbf-11eb-b3d1-9e5aa3d5220c_story.html

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First of all - it's "RATIONALE" not "rational"

secondly -- Mayoral control has been an unmitigated failure. Public schools have become politically driven rather than focused on better student outcomes across the board. Thanks for the heads up so I can testify to end Mayoral control.

You'll need to go into a bit more detail about A) what exactly you mean by "politically driven" and B) why ending mayoral control -- and handing over control to an elected school board -- would make it less politically driven? Or do you just mean something like making the Chancellor only dismissable for cause?

DP here. I think it would be a game changer if the chancellor wasn't personally loyal to the next step up. You see zero space between the chancellor and the mayor even when they mayor is full of it (please ask me for examples).

Being voted in by a board would give them space to speak up when there's funny business going on.

the chancellor could be made more independent without a school board. he already has to be approved by the council; a more modest step would be to make him removable for cause. but this is all still theoretical because nobody has pointed to any structural problems with mayoral control in any coherent way.

No one has proven that mayoral control is really needed when other places handle schools just fine with a school board.

no no. you have the burden of proof here if you want a change.

You can choose what you want to believe. There's no rule about who has to prove what. If you really like how the school system is run now then keep pressing for the status quo.