Anonymous
10/20/2021 15:10
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?
What would FCV get out of that?
ECNL
How would merging with VRSC get FCV into ECNL when VRSC is barely competitive in NCSL?
Correct and that is the answer. VRSC has a lot of pros as you or PP previously listed, field, pools, $$ to be of interest to ECNL. All VRSC Is missing is competitive teams probably qualified coaches which FCV can provide. As PP mentioned with a new ED who would attract talent (boys?) the this could be a big deal. Remember this s a theory.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:58
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?
What would FCV get out of that?
ECNL
How would merging with VRSC get FCV into ECNL when VRSC is barely competitive in NCSL?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:44
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?
What would FCV get out of that?
ECNL
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:41
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?
What would FCV get out of that?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:37
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Another theory could be VRSC taking over or merging FCV. ?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:35
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting that there’s been no announcement as to where Brick landed yet. He’s completely out from Arlington, so why wait?
You mean that Arlington made no announcement to where a former staff member went?
Not PP, but I suspect he means he's seen no announcement from any possible destination about a new hire.
The question was obviously this. Maybe he's taking a couple of weeks off between jobs and then there will be an announcement?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:33
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:What about Revolution would make you think that they would be next inline? They aren't even fielding good NCSL teams let alone EDP/ECNL-R
I was going to ask pretty much the same question. I admit I don't follow soccer club politics at all and don't have particularly much interest in VRSC, but do they even play anywhere but NCSL right now? Their teams fit in fine with NCSL, but none of them are performing in a way that they seem poised to move to a higher-level league.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:30
Subject: Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
I seriously doubt ECNL expands anytime soon. They were created to avoid a watered down league and now they are trending in that direction. If the do expand, I would expect them to look at successful ECNL-R clubs long before they look at unsuccessful NCSL clubs. Right now, they already seem like they are getting watered down in this area, so adding a second club centered around Loudon County make no sense. With the same player pool, their existing club in the area isn't successful; why would they water it down even more?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 14:21
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?
Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.
ECNL could just swap and not "expand". BRYC has been performing extremely poorly since joining ECNL. Moving from one ECNL club to another would simply be lateral unless a big check was involved.
MLS Next, who knows what their plans are but geographically Revolution could fit in.
Why would ECNL expel BRYC and then add an even weaker club?
I don't believe they will, I'm just simply following through on the thought exercise of the speculation of Oscar going to Revolution. Like many have said I don't believe he would go to a non-elite league affiliated club. So if he were to go to Revolution then it means that the money was HUUUUUGE or the money was both better AND they were getting into a higher league.
If the money is in fact huge then it could be incentive laden with the stipulation that he lead the club into one of the elite leagues by a certain timeframe.
I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of years Revolution has younger teams that are very competitive and the club could be considered to be added to one of the bigger leagues.
Loudoun wasn't given ECNL because of the performance of their U13-U19 teams at the time of application. They were added because they offered the following:
1. A large player pool
2. Facilities and field certainty
3. Staff. Loudoun has many highly licensed coaches (regardless of what you think, on paper their coaches have the papers)
4. Stability financially, regardless of what some folks here think of their ethics.
All of those things matter to leagues like ECNL who are looking to add clubs. These leagues believe that the patch will ultimately drive talent to their member clubs but they want stable clubs who are large enough to not eff it up.
None of this means that Revolution will get ECNL but since I was asked what makes me think they could is based on what likely got Loudoun added to ECNL. Again, I think we can all agree that Loudoun was not added based on the performance of their older ECNL aged teams.
1. Player pool - Revolution increased the potential by eliminating two local clubs from the field and likely having them completely locate out of the county.
2. Facilities - Owning Evergreen is a huge feather in their cap and would look great on a league application.
3. Staff/Coaching - They have been extremely aggressive in hiring quality coaches, and if the latest rumor is true they have certainly added credibility at the coaching leadership position.
4. Financials - Not knowing the books but they seem stable but then again they could just be writing checks they won't be able to cash. This is the biggest question mark.
A Revolution application to ECNL is full of potential and several impressive accomplishments already for such a young club. They would certainly be more risky an add than Loudoun but their potential upside is greater than BRYC at this point.
The obvious big downside for Revolution is they are young and lack a track record of performance. That is not insignificant. And all of this assumes that ECNL even wants to add another NOVA club but I can promise you that there are ZERO local ECNL R clubs that would get the nod. The most viable NOVA ECNL R add might be GFR or VYS but Villarreal is certainly not an option. And none of those clubs offer the facilities and other intangibles that Revolution offers.
Had The St. James purchased Evergreen instead we would probably be looking at FCV in ECNL contingent upon fielding boys teams as an announcement by February.
The above is just wild speculation so feel free to tear it apart.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 13:34
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
I think the subtext is that VA Revolution, based on nothing more than the bravado of VA Revolution dad, already has some acknowledgement of some league advancement already.
I have no idea if he is going to VA Revolution, and certainly it is possible that he isn't going anywhere, but I do agree that he would not just go to Revolution to run NCSL and EDP teams. So if he is going to Revolution then it is possible that he is going because a league advancement, ie MLS Next, ECNL or possibly GA are in the mix.
ECNL could very well be on the table if BRYC got he boot. I don't believe BRYC will get the boot yet and even if they do I really don't think NOVA should support 5 ECNL clubs. Revolution is too close to VDA and Loudoun but ECNL might be sold on a proven TD and a club with facilities of the quality of Evergreen.
So bottom line, if he goes to Revolution it is a sign of a couple of things;
1. A huge paycheck
2. A huge paycheck and league elevation certainty.
It's easy, just follow the money and pay the man his monies.
He could and should be one of the highest paid youth coaches in this area and I'm pretty sure he damn well knows his value in the market.
The club badge on his jacket is an afterthought.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 13:07
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?
Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.
ECNL could just swap and not "expand". BRYC has been performing extremely poorly since joining ECNL. Moving from one ECNL club to another would simply be lateral unless a big check was involved.
MLS Next, who knows what their plans are but geographically Revolution could fit in.
Why would ECNL expel BRYC and then add an even weaker club?
Anonymous
10/20/2021 13:06
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?
Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.
ECNL could just swap and not "expand". BRYC has been performing extremely poorly since joining ECNL. Moving from one ECNL club to another would simply be lateral unless a big check was involved.
MLS Next, who knows what their plans are but geographically Revolution could fit in.
What about Revolution would make you think that they would be next inline? They aren't even fielding good NCSL teams let alone EDP/ECNL-R
Anonymous
10/20/2021 13:04
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
I think the subtext is that VA Revolution, based on nothing more than the bravado of VA Revolution dad, already has some acknowledgement of some league advancement already.
I have no idea if he is going to VA Revolution, and certainly it is possible that he isn't going anywhere, but I do agree that he would not just go to Revolution to run NCSL and EDP teams. So if he is going to Revolution then it is possible that he is going because a league advancement, ie MLS Next, ECNL or possibly GA are in the mix.
ECNL could very well be on the table if BRYC got he boot. I don't believe BRYC will get the boot yet and even if they do I really don't think NOVA should support 5 ECNL clubs. Revolution is too close to VDA and Loudoun but ECNL might be sold on a proven TD and a club with facilities of the quality of Evergreen.
So bottom line, if he goes to Revolution it is a sign of a couple of things;
1. A huge paycheck
2. A huge paycheck and league elevation certainty.
What is your basis for "some acknowledgement of league advancement"? I don't know much about VA Revolution except that somebody pumps them on this board. I've never seen any of their teams play (which says something about the level that they are playing at), nor do the better teams bother to scrimmage them. I had a quick look at EDP standings and they don't seem to show up in the top divisions at the age groups I checked. Then I checked NCSL and they seemed to show up in the top 2 divisions at the age groups I checked, but they were mid-table.
Mid table NCSL teams are not going to get league advancement to anything. I highly doubt they're even good enough for ECNL-R, let alone ECNL or MLS Next.
Even Oscar would have years of work ahead of him to make anything of this.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 12:55
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?
Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.
ECNL could just swap and not "expand". BRYC has been performing extremely poorly since joining ECNL. Moving from one ECNL club to another would simply be lateral unless a big check was involved.
MLS Next, who knows what their plans are but geographically Revolution could fit in.
Anonymous
10/20/2021 12:44
Subject: Re:Arlington Soccer Leadership email 10/15
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is it related to the rumor about oscar leaving the club?
Haven't heard that - when/where is he going?
Nobody should traffic in rumors like this. Just trying to stir the pot. If it happens, it happens. Worry about it then. Otherwise you may be worrying about something that is false.
it's not just a rumor..... from what i hear
Well what do you hear? Clearly there are rumors. At this point I can't see how it hurts to actually provide the detail of where he's going instead of just the rumor that he's leaving.
ED resigns abruptly for greener pastures, his past experiences and education tells you he drawn to high profile roles. Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel. I'd be surprised if the ED spent a second thinking about Arlington soccer Asso. who? after he accepted his new role. Clearly he'd want to hit the ground running and make a statement. To do so it'd be wise to surround yourself with very qualified and highly regarded talent. Thats a very easy conversation and decision for Oscar to have. Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next. Also, with the younger boys teams not as strong as before, and the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director, limiting his income for the foreseeable future, made his decision a no decision. Details where probably worked out before the start of the fall season.
Wow. That will be a huge blow to Arlington but, if true, I agree they should have foreseen it when they turned down MLS Next.
Christ, he's the reason we even came back to Arlington. I will be so sad if this is true.
So where is he going?
The clues seem to be:
From one poster: "Word on the street someone's moving to the NW burbs where the trees are AlwaysGreen"
And from another: "Recently, at a big local club, there's been and continues to be a complete overhaul of staff and personnel", and "Especially after Arlington made the boys academy second fiddle to the girls side by joining ecnl first to help the girls side get in and not mls next", and "the fact that it would be very difficult for him to get beyond his role as academy director"
Complete overhaul of staff and personnel could be Herndon. "AlwaysGreen" seems to imply Evergreen Sports Complex which would be Barca. "A big local club" and MLS Next might imply Bethesda.
If we place our faith in the second poster, and assume the first is a red herring, this would fit if Bethesda has been overhauling staff and personnel recently. Have they?
The clues would imply that Oscar is heading to VA Revolution.
I don’t claim to know anything but I can see how VA Revolution certainly makes a whole lot of sense for both parties.
I don't. I'd be surprised if Oscar would want to coach at that level. I could see a sideways move to an MLS Next club, especially a big one like Bethesda. Or just possibly a move to an ECNL club where he could be in line to run the whole program - maybe Loudoun if that were a possibility there.
I could also see a move to a college program.
I can't see a move to VA revolution though, or Barca for that matter.
The point would be that they wouldn’t stay at that level. As a pp mentioned, his resume is damn impressive. If I’m VA Revolution and I recognize that he provides legitimacy to move into higher level leagues, provides an angle to pull a lot of kids from Barca’s player pool, and draws an influx of some high level players, and money is not an object (as seems to be the case with VRSC), why wouldn’t they make him an offer to make him the highest paid TD in the area?
His resume is impressive, but that doesn't mean MLSNext or ECNL will be eager to expand. Does he really want to drop down to coaching mediocre NCSL teams?
Exactly. Expansion, if it happens at all, doesn't happen quickly.